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On 2/11/2019 at 2:15 PM, rixalex said:

"Thank you rixalex (and others) for answering my question. The reason why I disagree with you on the point you made that all future referendums will be undermined and therefore pointless, if we don't enact the 2016 vote first, before having another referendum, is I think that......"

 

Incapable of answering then it is.

 

7by7: "Already answered, several times; but you choose to ignore it.

 

I will repeat, although I expect you will ignore the answer agai8n.

 

The time to rectify a mistake is before the consequences become too great to rectify; particularly when the margin was so small.."

 

Firstly, it may have escaped your attention but your reply above completely contradicts your trolling accusation that your loaded and baiting question about, "why Brexiteers fear another referendum", had never been answered. If i had never answered it, you in turn would have never answered to my reply.

 

Secondly, I didn't ignore your answer, but it does nothing to explain, as i asked you, how having another referendum before enacting the last one, will not result in all future referendums being undermined and therefore pointless.

 

Thirdly, more than a million people is really not a small margin. 10s of thousands is. Even hundreds of thousands you could make that case. More than a million is pretty resounding.

 

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the simple solution to the withdrawal agreement issue is to have a mechanism to cancel it - no alteration to the agreement itself just an exit clause to cancel the whole thing - it is standard practice to have such a clause in any agreement - the right to cancel
 
it would be used if the EU try to shaft us during trade talks.
 
It really is a standard thing to do - call it the UK's backstop to the whole Withdrawal Agreement 

Certainly that ‘agreement’ must be cancelled, or have limitations on all its’ clauses. May and EU don’t want to do the because it’s the surrender.
The Withdrawal Act, which gets us out in 42 days, is the one we must keep in place. They keep trying to amend it but haven’t succeeded yet.


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18 minutes ago, Loiner said:


Certainly that ‘agreement’ must be cancelled, or have limitations on all its’ clauses. May and EU don’t want to do the because it’s the surrender.
The Withdrawal Act, which gets us out in 42 days, is the one we must keep in place. They keep trying to amend it but haven’t succeeded yet.


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because without an exit clause they hold all the cards, they will make demands on stuff we couldn't possibly agree too such as fishing - we must be able to exit the agreement in a similar way that we can use ART50 to exit the whole EU and all of its treaties

 

we must be able to say to the EU - these trade talks are going nowhere we will therefore exit and leave on WTO - that must be an option and it also must include a return of any money we pay apart from the billion that is our actual financial commitment that we must pay

 

Personally I would prefer holding the money until trade talks have concluded otherwise they will shaft us - nothing to stop them 

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2 hours ago, SheungWan said:

For a number of Brits GBPTHB hovering around that psychologically important 40 mid-point line. Has TT Exchange broken it?

Yep, received a transfer this morning, 39.6.

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24 minutes ago, smedly said:

because without an exit clause they hold all the cards, they will make demands on stuff we couldn't possibly agree too such as fishing - we must be able to exit the agreement in a similar way that we can use ART50 to exit the whole EU and all of its treaties

 

we must be able to say to the EU - these trade talks are going nowhere we will therefore exit and leave on WTO - that must be an option and it also must include a return of any money we pay apart from the billion that is our actual financial commitment that we must pay

 

Personally I would prefer holding the money until trade talks have concluded otherwise they will shaft us - nothing to stop them 

Have you read anywhere exactly how much is genuinely 'owed' to the eu?

 

From the beginning, it has been nothing other than 'made up' numbers!

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26 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Have you read anywhere exactly how much is genuinely 'owed' to the eu?

 

From the beginning, it has been nothing other than 'made up' numbers!

I believe the actual figure is 9B - the other 30B is made up of continued membership over the 2-3 year transition period

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4 minutes ago, smedly said:

I believe the actual figure is 9B - the other 30B is made up of continued membership over the 2-3 year transition period

Any source for this as my (admittedly limited) understanding was that we would continue to pay the eu during the 'transition period' (which may have no end.....), whilst still paying an addtl. 39 bn to the eu?

 

Regardless, I am still looking for a link to explain the amount that is 'owed' to the eu.

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4 hours ago, Sticky Wicket said:

I think we have to leave now by hook or by crook.

If we don't we will be forever at the mercy of the behemoth

It looks like that, don't see what the Polish blackened death metal band has to do with it, even though Poland is in dispute with EU & Hungry, Italy's not happy, neither is Greece and others.

 

Just best to get out now rather be in a crumbling EU. 

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2 hours ago, SheungWan said:

For a number of Brits GBPTHB hovering around that psychologically important 40 mid-point line. Has TT Exchange broken it?

Yes.

It is going down fast as a Lift.

Bangkok Bank today:

Cash: 39.12

TT: 39.667

By the end of February, if there are no good news, we could test the 38.XX

The Brexit banana stucks full in the back end. 

 

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3 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Sorry dear, but we have already had a referendum on that. 😎

i am not your dear, there has been no referendum on proportional representation, there was one in 2011 on Av - additional vote, also a suggestion was made for a AV+ in 1998, which never gained much headway, so i stand by my first post. unless you know better with a link rather than just a snide comment

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34 minutes ago, steve187 said:

i am not your dear, there has been no referendum on proportional representation, there was one in 2011 on Av - additional vote, also a suggestion was made for a AV+ in 1998, which never gained much headway, so i stand by my first post. unless you know better with a link rather than just a snide comment

Pedantic A Go-GO.

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