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25 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

so, maybe HoC should be just scrapped

and foggy island left to be run by the Upper House

 

 

May be expedient in the short term 

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4 minutes ago, Grouse said:

May be expedient in the short term 

there is no short/long term Grouse,

 

if it is at all possible to change some of UKs political system.

like fptp like number of constituencies like boosting parliaments sovereignty

like streamlining the parliament-cabinet relationship

 

it would probably be a one time only event

 

not, do this and this in the short time

and maybe so and so in the longer time

 

UK is rather allergic to any changes.

 

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7 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

If it is at all possible to change some of UKs political system.

like fptp like number of constituencies like boosting parliaments sovereignty

like streamlining the parliament-cabinet relationship

They are changing the number of Constituencies down to 600 at the next scheduled GE in May 2022, not sure what will happen if we get a GE called sooner but that is highly unlikely to happen, It would be like turkeys voting for Christmas... given that 50 will be going anyway.

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13 hours ago, Lungstib said:

The Brexit fiasco is at least informing us on the dire situation British politics is facing. The chosen winners of the last election have shown themselves to be totally divided over this issue and the opposition is making little or no inroads into its fight to overtake. Perhaps the British have finally decided that politicians are just not to be trusted to do what the electorate want but the time appears to be ripe for new parties to make an appearance. The old ones look to be intent on just pulling themselves apart.

The last thing needed would be an additional bunch of lunatic populists.

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8 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Gotta agree, leaving means no deals, no payoffs just goodbye.

If they don't like it, they can start shooting.

shooting no.
This will be a decade-long trial.
Meanwhile, the globe keeps turning.
Europe is getting poorer overall.
Emerging markets catch up.
And the big three US, China and Russia share the cake.
The disunity of Europe is the best that could happen to their economy.
Think the UK will also lose respect as a solid investment location.

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28 minutes ago, Grouse said:

You misunderstand 

 

Leaving with no deal has ZERO credibility. As a threat it is useless 

 

If course the EU wants us to remain:

 

Geography

History

Scale

 

The money is peanuts. Look at EU GDP!!!

 

Look at the trade deals they have 

 

Frankly, leverage is very weak

 

Strongest lever is that Germany could do with a partner st the top level.

 

EU will just walk away......

 

dunno Grouse, this is somewhat difficult terrain to navigate in,

 

although many on TVF seem to think there are very simple solutions to complex problems,

(the problems are not complex at all, but parties disagree way too much)

reality shows it ain't that easy.

 

it was said above that leaving with no deal has no credibility, maybe so,

maybe no-deal is no threat any longer, can agree with that

 

the real threat, which would really take the piss out of EU is if UK decided to remain,

and then trigger a new A50

and EU would enjoy couple of more years with so called negotiators from UK

and not least circus Farage in EP.

 

That would really piss EU off, big time.

 

The importance of avoiding no-deal has diminished over time.

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

dunno Grouse, this is somewhat difficult terrain to navigate in,

 

although many on TVF seem to think there are very simple solutions to complex problems,

(the problems are not complex at all, but parties disagree way too much)

reality shows it ain't that easy.

 

it was said above that leaving with no deal has no credibility, maybe so,

maybe no-deal is no threat any longer, can agree with that

 

the real threat, which would really take the piss out of EU is if UK decided to remain,

and then trigger a new A50

and EU would enjoy couple of more years with so called negotiators from UK

and not least circus Farage in EP.

 

That would really piss EU off, big time.

 

The importance of avoiding no-deal has diminished over time.

 

 

 

 

Many companies are already preparing for this.
All seminars at the Chambers of Commerce in Germany are fully booked!
How do I properly fill in the customs documents?
What is a certificate of origin?
What tariffs await me?
What is the SAD A50?
What is differential taxation on exports to non-EU countries.
Product Sales Tax Identification Number.
GBVAT Registration NumberVAT Reg No 11/14 GB x1x2x3x4x5x6x7x8x9x10x11x12
More bureaucracy, more costs, long handling times.
This leads to lower corporate profits and higher prices for all Europeans.
The main thing is that the Brexiters have their independence sausage.
There are some sympathies gone.

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1 hour ago, tomacht8 said:

Many companies are already preparing for this.
All seminars at the Chambers of Commerce in Germany are fully booked!
How do I properly fill in the customs documents?
What is a certificate of origin?
What tariffs await me?
What is the SAD A50?
What is differential taxation on exports to non-EU countries.
Product Sales Tax Identification Number.
GBVAT Registration NumberVAT Reg No 11/14 GB x1x2x3x4x5x6x7x8x9x10x11x12
More bureaucracy, more costs, long handling times.
This leads to lower corporate profits and higher prices for all Europeans.
The main thing is that the Brexiters have their independence sausage.
There are some sympathies gone.

indeed, the whole of the EU is much better prepared for a possible no deal Brexit than the UK is.

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1 hour ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

dunno Grouse, this is somewhat difficult terrain to navigate in,

 

although many on TVF seem to think there are very simple solutions to complex problems,

(the problems are not complex at all, but parties disagree way too much)

reality shows it ain't that easy.

 

it was said above that leaving with no deal has no credibility, maybe so,

maybe no-deal is no threat any longer, can agree with that

 

the real threat, which would really take the piss out of EU is if UK decided to remain,

and then trigger a new A50

and EU would enjoy couple of more years with so called negotiators from UK

and not least circus Farage in EP.

 

That would really piss EU off, big time.

 

The importance of avoiding no-deal has diminished over time.

 

 

 

 

The simple but wrong answers problem is at the heart of Brexit .

People knew they were not happy 

Brexit provided simple and apparently coherent answers as to why they were not happy 

So they voted for it 

Now, even when those answers have been proven to be wrong they won't change their minds 

 

So we fall off the cliff

 

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22 minutes ago, tebee said:

indeed, the whole of the EU is much better prepared for a possible no deal Brexit than the UK is.

I can support it that way.
The UK does not have the administrative infrastructure to handle all the tasks that have been carried out via the EU now.

Subsidy allocation to British farmers.
Allocation of research funds for UK projects.
Implementation of the Erasmus program.
Participation in the project Galileo.
Carrying out investment financing.
Joint work on safety databases.
Sustainability, resource security, environmental protection.
Allocation of structural development funds.
And much more.

But now the UK must first invest in border security and customs clearance capacity.
555
They can do that, certainly in 40+ days, right?

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29 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

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But now the UK must first invest in border security and customs clearance capacity.
555
They can do that, certainly in 40+ days, right?

About Customs: will the UK have any Customs legislation in place, or will they continue to base procedures etc. on the comprehensive EU Customs legislation?

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52 minutes ago, damascase said:

About Customs: will the UK have any Customs legislation in place, or will they continue to base procedures etc. on the comprehensive EU Customs legislation?

Nobody know what they want.
Nobody wants the result of the negotiations aka Mays / EU plan.

Parliament does not want no deal Brexit.
Empty space in the heads of the Leaders from a Country.

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