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The EU is taking a big risk as well here, although probably not as much as the UK. Still, their worst nightmare is that a no deal Brexit occurs, and it isn't as bad as they've made it out to be. In fact, this is probably going to be the case, as they have been screaming the world will collapse for months. My guess is the reality will be bad, but not exactly the catastrophe it is being represented as.

 

Should this actually happen, then Brussels will have absolutely no bullets if another member chooses to leave. They won't be able to play this card again if their bluff is called this time and the world keeps going with just a hiccup or two. So I would be willing to bet that as the deadline gets closer, both sides are going to become more flexible in their positions. Neither can really afford to let a no deal exit go through, although I'm sure hard liners on both sides are going to be inflexible about it.

 

It is like watching a game of chicken though. Both sides waiting for the other to blink. Much like a US court room, there is almost certain to be a last minute plea bargain right before the jury comes back.

 

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3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Gotta agree, leaving means no deals, no payoffs just goodbye.

Just as well I'm not in charge because I would have already ordered naval exercises in the Channel and North sea, and recalled troops to the UK. Maybe already setting up a Thai system for 90 day reporting and foreign nationals required to report addresses.

I would also nationalise all foreign assets in the UK and only allow British citizens to own land and shares.

As predicted, the closer we get to the nominal day, the more the wheels will fly off the Hard Brexiteer wagon and the only thing called for will be the men in white coats.

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18 minutes ago, Monomial said:

The EU is taking a big risk as well here, although probably not as much as the UK. Still, their worst nightmare is that a no deal Brexit occurs, and it isn't as bad as they've made it out to be. In fact, this is probably going to be the case, as they have been screaming the world will collapse for months. My guess is the reality will be bad, but not exactly the catastrophe it is being represented as.

Should this actually happen, then Brussels will have absolutely no bullets if another member chooses to leave. They won't be able to play this card again if their bluff is called this time and the world keeps going with just a hiccup or two. So I would be willing to bet that as the deadline gets closer, both sides are going to become more flexible in their positions. Neither can really afford to let a no deal exit go through, although I'm sure hard liners on both sides are going to be inflexible about it.

It is like watching a game of chicken though. Both sides waiting for the other to blink. Much like a US court room, there is almost certain to be a last minute plea bargain right before the jury comes back.

Some people living in their own imagined world.

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4 hours ago, vogie said:

Leaving the EU according to grouse, is staying in.

As JRM said last night on Question Time "we voted to leave the EU, we didn't vote for a deal"

Its like Jeremy Corbyns wonder deal, lets call it a Norway - - -, I just wonder whose idea that was, certainly not Corbyns.

Lets give the electorate what they voted for, 

It will be once in a lifetime.

It will mean leaving the single market and the customs union.

"When the British people speak, their voice will be respected, not ignored"

How shallow does that sentence sound now?

The shallowness is in the dishonest presumption by the Hard Brexiteers of what was voted on in the referendum. Holding hands in the darkness and endless chanting. A sad show of the self-deluded.

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20 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Indeed. It's astonishing that May is trying so hard to placate the extremists in her party, rather than seeking a cross-party consensus. She will have a lot to answer for if we crash out.

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Perhaps she should be trying to placate the over 17,400,000 people who Democratically voted to leave this so called union. 

 

 

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Perhaps she should be trying to placate the over 17,400,000 people who Democratically voted to leave this so called union. 
 
 
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But the BRexiteer thinks they should be able to take their coat without paying the cloakroom fee and come back and use the bathroom facilities whenever they want.

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1 hour ago, nontabury said:

Perhaps she should be trying to placate the over 17,400,000 people who Democratically voted to leave this so called union. 

 

 

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Though I get what the analogy is trying to say it's pretty poor as following that logic the Bouncer would be the one who's asking to leave and the patron is (or more accurately SHOULD be) trying to make sure they don't leave though the 4th floor window.

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2 hours ago, nontabury said:

Perhaps she should be trying to placate the over 17,400,000 people who Democratically voted to leave this so called union. 

 

 

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Honesty is always a good starting point.

 

But yes, somebody does need to answer to (most*) of the over 17,400,000 people for the lies and misinformation they were fed.

 

* There will always be some that are not bothered by the lies so long as they can continue going through life blaming other’s for what’s wrong in their world.

 

 

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This one off Brexit has brought to the fore many weaknesses in the UK governance .

Elected MPs ,  do they vote in parliament with their constituents preferences on Brexit ( in order to be re-elected ? )  or do they follow some personal beliefs ?  or do they follow their parties whip ?

The above scenario does not help in the final Brexit decision .

 

There is belief from several EU countries that the EU common market has passed its sell by date and that a Brexit no deal will trigger France & Italy to follow . The EU negotiating bullies are demonstrating to others who may consider leaving the EU that its not worth it . TM has proved she should not have been at the helm from the start as she lost 2 Brexit secretaries due to her stubborn ways .

In private industries a performance as of TM would not be tolerated and she would have been kicked out by the shareholders .   This Brexit bull needs to be taken by the horns and brought to a conclusion but I fear alas that the UK politics will not permit it . 

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3 minutes ago, superal said:

This one off Brexit has brought to the fore many weaknesses in the UK governance .

Elected MPs ,  do they vote in parliament with their constituents preferences on Brexit ( in order to be re-elected ? )  or do they follow some personal beliefs ?  or do they follow their parties whip ?

The above scenario does not help in the final Brexit decision .

There is belief from several EU countries that the EU common market has passed its sell by date and that a Brexit no deal will trigger France & Italy to follow . The EU negotiating bullies are demonstrating to others who may consider leaving the EU that its not worth it . TM has proved she should not have been at the helm from the start as she lost 2 Brexit secretaries due to her stubborn ways .

In private industries a performance as of TM would not be tolerated and she would have been kicked out by the shareholders .   This Brexit bull needs to be taken by the horns and brought to a conclusion but I fear alas that the UK politics will not permit it . 

Private industry think the Hard Brexiteers are away with the fairies.

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23 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

Yes.

It is going down fast as a Lift.

Bangkok Bank today:

Cash: 39.12

TT: 39.667

By the end of February, if there are no good news, we could test the 38.XX

The Brexit banana stucks full in the back end. 

 

1000 squid at 40 = 40,000.

1000 squid at 38 = 38,000.

2000 baht lost will not be as bad as a being in a lift crashing to the floor. 

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44 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

1000 squid at 40 = 40,000.

1000 squid at 38 = 38,000.

2000 baht lost will not be as bad as a being in a lift crashing to the floor. 

22.jun.2016
1000 squid at 51,36 TT = 51.360
15.feb.2019
1000 squid at 39,66 TT = 39.667
= - 11.693
= - 22,77 %
Let us count this.
A simple rough estimate with the value loss constant over the time axis.
Let say your monthly income/Pension is 1000 squid
jul 2016 - feb2019 = 32 month
32 * 11.693 = 374.176 Baht loss 

For that Money you could buy 7 new Honda Clicks.
or (1 Singha beer small 35Baht) = 10690 bottles beer you have less.
or (Barfine 500 Baht) = 748 Barfines  you have less
555
Have a nice day.

 

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1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Except that’s not the real ‘Brexit’ loss is it?!

 

 

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The fact is Brexit or no Brexit that's the way it's and you just have to live with it, there's nothing you can do about it.

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