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Polish PM cancels trip to Israel in wake of comments on Poles in Holocaust

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7 hours ago, sanemax said:

Were there some Poles who willingly collaborated though ?

Yes. some Polish 'christian' citizens willingly murdered their Jewish neighbours e.g. Jedwabne. On the other side of the coin it is estimated approx 2 million non Jewish Poles were killed during WW11 by the Soviets and Nazis.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/02/poland-holocaust-death-camps/552455/

 

 

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There must be a reason why Jews have been hated all over the world since the beginning of recorded history... buy saying that I would probably be branded as antisemitic. Same if I say that Israel is killing Palestinians, that would also brand me as antisemitic... since 2014 Israel have killed about 1500 combatants (if it would be in WWII Europe, then we would call then resistance fighters...) and 2600 civilians/non combatants (many of those being children), while a smashing total of 72 Israelis have been killed by Palestinians over the same time frame!

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4 minutes ago, Kasset Tak said:

There must be a reason why Jews have been hated all over the world since the beginning of recorded history... buy saying that I would probably be branded as antisemitic. 

What is that reason ?

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3 minutes ago, sanemax said:

What is that reason ?

I don't know, but simply making that statement has a tendency to brand me as antisemitic.
Anyway, when growing up my grandparents caretaker was a Jewish holocaust survivor (first Bergen-Belsen and later Auschwitz) who told me all about her childhood horrors, I have been to Auschwitz and other concentration/death camps, and I have studied WWII so much that even when I was in middle school and high school I could prove factual errors in our history textbooks...
Still, people have a tendency to call me antisemitic for stating facts and criticize Israel... a country that call Dror Feiler, a Israeli-Swedish (Yes, he is Jewish and he served in the Israeli army...) musician antisemitic, as he compare Israel and how they treat the Palestinians with how the black population was treated in South Africa during Apartheid...

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7 hours ago, Kasset Tak said:

There must be a reason why Jews have been hated all over the world since the beginning of recorded history... buy saying that I would probably be branded as antisemitic. Same if I say that Israel is killing Palestinians, that would also brand me as antisemitic... since 2014 Israel have killed about 1500 combatants (if it would be in WWII Europe, then we would call then resistance fighters...) and 2600 civilians/non combatants (many of those being children), while a smashing total of 72 Israelis have been killed by Palestinians over the same time frame!

If by the world you mean the Christian World, yes. Especially that part of it that was Catholic or Orthodox. But the Jews were not demonized in Muslim countries for most of their history. They may have been looked down up, as were Christians, for subscribing to an inferior religion. But none of that nonsense about Jews killing and eating Christian children. It was only in the late 19th century that this kind of nonsense came to the Arab world, mostly thanks to French colonialists.

As for the Chinese, Indians, Japanese. etc.. really?

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7 hours ago, Kasset Tak said:

I don't know, but simply making that statement has a tendency to brand me as antisemitic.
Anyway, when growing up my grandparents caretaker was a Jewish holocaust survivor (first Bergen-Belsen and later Auschwitz) who told me all about her childhood horrors, I have been to Auschwitz and other concentration/death camps, and I have studied WWII so much that even when I was in middle school and high school I could prove factual errors in our history textbooks...
 

Go ahead, point those factual errors in the history books 

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16 hours ago, Grouse said:

The Poles got it worse than any other non soviet nation. I wouldn't take the moral high ground against them

 

From 1939 to 1949 The polish population dropped from 35M to 24M and didn't  recover until the 70s. 5M by enforced emigration and 6M deaths! The difference between the Poles and the Israelies is that the Poles don't keep going on about it 80 years later

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/percentage-of-countries-who-died-during-wwii-2014-5

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_changes_of_Poland_immediately_after_World_War_II

OK, Dundee, what confuses you about my post? 12 like it, but you are confused! Kindly enlighten us!

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15 hours ago, sanemax said:

Go ahead, point those factual errors in the history books 

Well, I assume that most of the facts in history books (written by well established historical researchers) are accurate, however many times you have contradicting facts/statements between different scholars. 
What I was talking about was the history textbooks that I had in school had errors that even I as a 12 year old boy could find... sadly many history textbooks used in schools today also have errors or miss essential proven/recorded facts from our history.

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2 minutes ago, Kasset Tak said:

Well, I assume that most of the facts in history books (written by well established historical researchers) are accurate, however many times you have contradicting facts/statements between different scholars. 
What I was talking about was the history textbooks that I had in school had errors that even I as a 12 year old boy could find... sadly many history textbooks used in schools today also have errors or miss essential proven/recorded facts from our history.

Could you state what those errors were/are ?

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On 2/18/2019 at 8:19 AM, sanemax said:

Were there some Poles who willingly collaborated though ?

I am sure there were some. But you do not label a whole nation on the actions of others.

Poles fought gallantly to defend their country against the Nazis. Don't forget that Russia also invaded.

Russia and Germany were allies then.

I am not sure if any Jew was in that defense.

The holocaust was against Jews in particular but also included suspected communists, gays, disabled, political opponents and any Nazi dissenter.

In all, over 12 millions were murdered in Nazi Death Camps, not Polish, German or wherever.

It took US to wait for Japan to attack them before they entered an already 2 year old war as there were many supporters of Germany there too as well.

Not everything is so clear cut, black or white.

Israel should pay homage to the many Poles who fled to UK and fought gallantly again.

How many Jews fled to UK to fight against the Nazis.

And I do not forget the mainly Jewish Poles who cracked the Enigma Code in Britain. 

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4 minutes ago, Prissana Pescud said:

I am sure there were some. But you do not label a whole nation on the actions of others.

 

Did you read the O.P ?

Netahanyu didnt say that Poland collaborated with the Nazis .

He stated that some Polish people did , which is correct .

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On 2/18/2019 at 1:00 PM, mauGR1 said:

Well said, every country has skeletons in the closet, including those preaching from high horses of morality.

We all know about the German populace that assisted in pointing out the Jews.

Little is mentioned about The french who probably exceeded all expectations of the Nazis. But all European countries that 

were occupied had collaborators that actively assisted in Nazi death Camps. There were no German, Polish, Austrian death camps,

Only Nazi Death Camps. You cannot condemn a whole country for the cowardly acts of a few collaborators and that corrupt

Jew leading Israel until he goes to jail should know better than condemn a country that actually fought to defeat Nazis.

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2 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Did you read the O.P ?

Netahanyu didnt say that Poland collaborated with the Nazis .

He stated that some Polish people did , which is correct .

So why did he not mention every other country occupied by the Nazis which had collaborators.

No, he mentioned a country which actively tried to oppose the Nazis. Lame

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Just now, Prissana Pescud said:

So why did he not mention every other country occupied by the Nazis which had collaborators.

No, he mentioned a country which actively tried to oppose the Nazis. Lame

He was replying to a specific question about Polish collaboration  , its says that in the O.P.

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