ttrd Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, steve73 said: Anyone riding a motorcycle in Thailand should ride at a safe enough speed to avoid ANYTHING unexpected. Whether it be the car you are about to overtake making an unexpected U-turn right in front of you, or pulling out from a side junction right in front of you. (Either of which could have happened here). ...Or even a suicidal soi dog deciding to run straight in front of you. Any of which could cause the motorcyclist to hit it or fall off, and the motorcyclist will usually come off badly. Excessive speed, lack of attention due to playing on a phone, or poorly maintained brakes, will all make the situation worse. It matters little who had the legal right when you are fatally injured... As a motorcyclist you are usually going to come off worse, and you should ride accordingly. RE - Anyone riding a motorcycle in Thailand should ride at a safe enough speed to avoid ANYTHING unexpected. You should always expect on a general basis that the unexpected can happen - especially in Thailand ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Some off topic posts and replies have been removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickeyR Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 8 hours ago, SammyT said: Good to see the farang defenders warming up on here. Hate to break it to you all, but westerners can and do drive badly as well... But still better than most Thais Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickeyR Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 You'll never get the real truth of who is to blame but I guarantee you it won't be the bike rider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger70 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Too early to tell ,Indicator light on /not , brake lights on /not position of car on the road relating to U turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddinChonburi Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Did the motorbike have his headlight on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooliganzone Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Two Thais injured as Brit makes "sudden U-turn" Picture: The Pattaya News Police were called to an accident in Thepprasit Road, Pattaya just after midnight on Sunday when two Thais on a motorbike hit a car driven by a British man. Pol Lt Aris Phuangsawai and Sawang Boriboon rescue personnel were on the scene and found a Honda City with Chonburi plates stopped in the middle of the road. It had damage to the right rear side. The driver was named as 34 year old Samuel Matthew Stonard. On the tarmac was a Yamaha Spark with an Ayuthaya plate and two people, a man and a woman. They were named as Chalermphon Pongketrakarn, 35, and Khamyat Dechabun, 44. After being given first aid at the scene they were taken to Bang Lamung Hospital. Chalermphon said he was heading for Sukhumvit Road when the car made a sudden and unexpected U-turn. He was unable to brake in time and hit the rear right side at speed. Source: The Pattaya News -- [emoji2398] Copyright Thai Visa News 2019-02-18Not nonsence at all that is not proof at all as I said the bike was still in the wrong hitting the car, overtaking is always a risk so in the wrong there is too possibly speeding, not taking care, too near to the vehicle in front.Sent from my SM-G950F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newnative Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Likely the motorcycle was illegally to the side of the car and not behind the car as it should have been. I don't know how many times we have come close to hitting motorcycles when we are making legal, normal left turns and u-turns, 'sudden' or otherwise. It's difficult to hit the side of a car when it makes a turn if you are properly in the lane behind the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain 776 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 60 road deaths a day here in Thailand and 86% of them are from motorbike. I rode here 13 yrs without a scratch until Oct 26 when 59 yo thai lady pulled out in front of me. I am out of pocket 550,000 bhat after 2 surgeries. Police put her at fault. I told her I would take 50% and call it a day. of course she says NO MONEY. I told her give me at least 3000 a month, she said no money. Police yelled at her YOU CAUSED THIS ACCIDENT, you better FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO, if you go to court and tell judge no money...,, you are going to jail. Waiting for the court date Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Ah ha - so the Brit has been living there for a while and now completely immersed in Thai 'driving culture'? ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KneeDeep Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 This just happened to me today. Minivan driver making an illegal U-turn. I stopped just in time, but came off the bike. Minivan driver scampered away like spineless coward, as is usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardinalblue Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 The problem is Thai design of roads....every U turn is sudden - everything thing here is solved by having U turns b/c they cost no money.... the driver probably did judge the speed of the bike coming his direction incorrectly... these accidents are caused by poor design...why not a round about or proper signaled turn lanes? engineering controls over judgement calls every time need to be implemented.... huge problem in CM on busy roads where cars are allowed up to 90 km/h running parallel to each other and the only way to head back are u-turns... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marquis22 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Speed kills Over 0.05 kills Doing unsafe U-turns kills Heard it all before so take your pick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deonvz Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Seen many a motorcycle at night without a working headlight ,tail lamp and sometimes no lights at all and this might explain why the guy did a u turn as he saw nothing in his mirrors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benmart Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 I wasn't there to witness the accident, nor do I know anyone that was. Most likely the reporter was not a witness and is relying on second or third hand information. What seems obvious, is often not fact. The experts abound who seem to have some magical power to assign cause, blame and punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolgeoff Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Whether the farang was in the right to late it seems.he will be to blame for everything.take u for everything you got.other way round you would get nothing but grief if the Thais were at fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKDfella Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 9 hours ago, SammyT said: Good to see the farang defenders warming up on here. Hate to break it to you all, but westerners can and do drive badly as well... Not to mention that if you hit the vehicle in front you are driving too close eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 As they say "when in Rome do as the Romans do" U turns Thai style!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulic Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 If the car driver was making the U-turn from the left lane, car drivers fault if it was from the right lane the motorcycle drivers fault. Not enough information in the story to really know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupermarineS6B Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 That's refreshing, it's normaly "Two Brits killed as Thai does what the F%^$# he wants in the middle of the road"...... Them pesky farangs again, they must go !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Had the farang been drinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ54 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 There was an article on TV a couple days ago from a Auto Insurance company and if I remember correctly. Article said if you rearend someone your at fault. Basically you should stay within a safe distance from car in front. Same in US and unless you hit the rear quarter panel (not square hit) you might be able to show you weren’t in error. Were their any witnesss that can help your case? Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 9 hours ago, smedly said: you can have as many perhapses as you like - none of them are facts, and your educated guesses are based on what exact training, qualifications or education, how many RTA's have you attended or investigated My educated guesses are based on fact that many bikes ride around with no headlights on, because it cost money to fix, and just as many ride with baskets attached to the front, right under the headlights, and once anything is in the basket, headlights are totally blacked out. Now please share where and how you gained your extensive knowledge on bikes riding at night in Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontabury Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 11 hours ago, smedly said: still blaming the Thai ????????? sorry my friend but if the car suddenly pulled across in front of the bike - there is simply no excuse for that, now if all bike riders want to avoid accidents - then yes they should be extra careful of idiots pulling out in front of them - doesn't mean they are at fault or to blame Not sure of the full and accurate facts regarding this accident. Though could the police be taking into account the statement from a very senior Thai policeman a number of years ago. He stated that in the event of a vehicle being hit from behind, it should be considered a 50/50 blame. While in the U.K the police would initially judge the driver of the vehicle that hit the rear of the other vehicle, to be at fault, or at least in 99% of cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Reading the posts here have forced me to revise my view that most farangs are good drivers, particularly all those comments that the bike might have been following too closely. The bike hit the car on the right side, towards the rear. This means that the car had already started the turn. The critical question therefore is where on the road the accident occurred. In the direction of travel or in the oncoming lane. If the latter, the bike is clearly at fault. Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 hour ago, DJ54 said: There was an article on TV a couple days ago from a Auto Insurance company and if I remember correctly. Article said if you rearend someone your at fault. Basically you should stay within a safe distance from car in front. Same in US and unless you hit the rear quarter panel (not square hit) you might be able to show you weren’t in error. Were their any witnesss that can help your case? Good luck! All these road rules apply to normal people in normal countries where people actually learn how to drive on the roads, not on a football field and where people actually have to know the road rules and pass them . Thailand is anything but normal, it is not uncommon for a car in front of you to indicate one way but turn the other(some do not actually know the difference between left and right) or to just come to a full stop with nothing in front of them to cause that or do many other unexplained and retarded and dangerous things, However one thing which(personally pisses me off and i get vocal ) is that more than often, bikes always over take you in the direction of your turning , your lights are showing you turning, you vehicle is turning and yet they still go to overtake. Not relevant to this case, but also the bikes with side car that has no lights or markings. All you see is a bike light and as it turns out there is also a side car, which is impossible to see in the evening, My point being, no doubt foreigner may well be at fault, but can not rule out that he simply did not see bike coming as either headlights were off or blocked by something in the basket, just as possible he did see them, was indicating but they did what so many do, go to overtake turning vehicle in the direction of its turning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanleycoin Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 18 hours ago, SammyT said: Good to see the farang defenders warming up on here. Hate to break it to you all, but westerners can and do drive badly as well... My money is on the locals lying. This can happen from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Leopard Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 I cannot believe a lot of the comments on here. Unless you apply the rule that you are a foreigner and if you were not in my country then the accident wouldn't have happened then its the motorcycles fault. Rear end collision. The motorcycle drove into the car. If you drive into something it's your fault no matter what the car was doing at the time. The car driver might have been a total idiot but its still your fault. Failing to maintain the correct distance. Not paying attention. Driving too fast. I would actually love to see the final outcome of this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 15 hours ago, ttrd said: Could be interesting to know if the u-turn where made where a u-turn is legal, And where on Threppasit would you say that is true? Not anywhere I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essox essox Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 does IT REALLY MATTER what plates any vehicle is carrying ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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