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CW today - not accept monthly income by bank transfers

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3 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:
5 minutes ago, david555 said:
as retired you receive a pension or equal named ….., some organization pay this to the retired /pensioner .
From mine I can get yearly a nice letter stating what I receive for the rest of my life.... and with a nice purple seal … a seal that is what all bureaucrat officials  adore ...emoji39.png
 

Only at certain ages, in the UK earliest is 55, exception is certain govt medical early retirements. That's my point, many people aren't old enough to receive a pension but have the income easy enough which could just be cash transfers

yes understand your point .My country groups all pensions in 1 organization gov. workers , workers and independents , and of course besides are the private extra pensions , but they have all an organization who pays them.

Let us hope for many others , that Thailand not go follow  rule by only recognizing pensioners if they reached the legal age or status by each individual country , that would be total funny ….ain't it. 😋

Up to Thailand who they consider as a retired or pensioner , sadly enough , but it is their country and we may only jump thru their hoops 

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"from my german embassy that i am retired already". NOT EVERYONE IS RETIRED.... they just don't get it.  Many people in this wild wonderful world today are cashed up enough in their 30's or 40's or 50's to want to do nothing but spend money and lie under a coconut tree.  The so called retirement visa doesn't actually exist.  You show me where an official Thai visa document states "retirement visa".... there is no such thing.   

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So they don't qualify.

Not for those embassies still issuing income letters, maybe. For other countries, monthly transfers from abroad are accepted, doesn't matter the source of income and why should it, its irrelevant

 

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19 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Just pay an agent to get your VISA and extension.

That's what immigration want.

You still don't understand, do you ? :unsure:

Rules are becoming stricter and harder because of people using agents.

If this small change in rules doesn't manage to stop agents,

Immigration will just make news rules even more difficult for all of us ! :sad:

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28 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

The rules are created to try and force people to use agents.

Immigration will create more rules until everyone uses agents. //

I think your are fully wrong on that... but arguing on it  is today useless.

Let's wait a few months and see what happen...

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38 minutes ago, BritManToo said:
41 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

You still don't understand, do you ? :unsure:

Rules are becoming stricter and harder because of people using agents.

If this small change in rules doesn't manage to stop agents,

Immigration will just make news rules even more difficult for all of us ! :sad:

Seems you understand even less.

The rules are created to try and force people to use agents.

Immigration will create more rules until everyone uses agents.

(or a new government arises that actually stops corruption in the police force)

 

That just doesn't make any sense at all. Immigration have just brought in much more stringent 'money in the bank rules'.

 

If what you say is true Immigration would have simply cancelled the income method as an option and said everybody must use the money in the bank option in future, under the old rules and not brought in any new ones.

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18 hours ago, stevenl said:

So they don't qualify.

They always have in the past with evidence of income only, not necessary for this to be pension related. 

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17 hours ago, pattayadgw said:

"from my german embassy that i am retired already". NOT EVERYONE IS RETIRED.... they just don't get it.  Many people in this wild wonderful world today are cashed up enough in their 30's or 40's or 50's to want to do nothing but spend money and lie under a coconut tree.  The so called retirement visa doesn't actually exist.  You show me where an official Thai visa document states "retirement visa".... there is no such thing.   

 

 

Yeah i was self employed in germany and i never paid a cent into the state pension. 

 

Did my own private retirement preparation, basically there's no way to ever get a german income affidavit for people like me afaik as they base everything on the dull state pension system.

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I have got an O-A retirement visa obtained in my own country (Canberra).

  Wishing to get stamped in for a further 12 months, how long before it expires will i have to leave and re enter the country.

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8 minutes ago, Huckenfell said:

Wishing to get stamped in for a further 12 months, how long before it expires will i have to leave and re enter the country.

You only have to do it before the date it expires. There is no requirement to do it any amount of time before that day.

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2 hours ago, Pattaya46 said:

You still don't understand, do you ? :unsure:

Rules are becoming stricter and harder because of people using agents.

If this small change in rules doesn't manage to stop agents,

Immigration will just make news rules even more difficult for all of us ! :sad:

Well it took them 20 years to get round to it his time ..... twenty more years has got me covered. 

If they simply wanted to stop agents, they could do it more directly.

 

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4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Seems you understand even less.

The rules are created to try and force people to use agents.

No they aren’t!

 

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Immigration will create more rules until everyone uses agents.

(or a new government arises that actually stops corruption in the police force)

If they wanted us to use agents they would simply insist all applications go though agents! 

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23 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

They would of accepted it for those that cannot get proof of income from their embassy anymore.

As I wrote in a earlier post this is not the first time that it has happened.

 

Joe, didn't the language of the new/revised police order offer the monthly transfers to a Thai bank account as a separate, distinct option for meeting the financial requirement for extensions?  Along with the other options of a fixed bank deposit or embassy income letter...

 

I don't remember the language regarding the monthly transfers to a Thai bank as being ONLY available for citizens of certain countries or ONLY in cases where their embassies were no longer issuing income affidavits...

 

Is this another case of Immigration apparently going off the rails, just as with the recent report that Phuket Immigration had refused to accept a valid Embassy income affidavit issued in late 2018.... which should under their own rules have been valid and accepted for the normal six months from issuance.

 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Joe, didn't the language of the new/revised police order offer the monthly transfers to a Thai bank account as a separate, distinct option for meeting the financial requirement for extensions?  Along with the other options of a fixed bank deposit or embassy income letter...

Their have been two orders. One revising the proof of income and another for one for the money in the bank option that includes the combination option. 

15 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

I don't remember the language regarding the monthly transfers to a Thai bank as being ONLY available for citizens of certain countries or ONLY in cases where their embassies were no longer issuing income affidavits..

The order for income only states  image.png.038932904a4fd65b96354db7ab81de47.png

in the case mentioned in this topic they are interpreting it to mean if you can get the income certification from an embassy that is what they want.

Also this was for a visa application not an extension application and they may be applying different rules.

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