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Was there ever a bigger joke of a VP than the lap dog Pence?

 

Probably Dan Quayle would be a close second.

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Europeans leaders have no backbone, spineless to a man/woman. They will fold to US demands, they always do. US vassals, nothing more. May I have another please, sir....

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4 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said:

Europeans leaders have no backbone, spineless to a man/woman. They will fold to US demands, they always do. US vassals, nothing more. May I have another please, sir....

Well, I remember a certain number of them opposing the war about fake WMD in Irak. And those which supported it have been so ridiculised that they are getting more cautious now. Except Poland and a few other East European countries that are too afraid of Russia.

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39 minutes ago, beechguy said:

Um.... your linking a NATO initiative to tackle Gaddafi.... the US is a part of NATO, and the worlds largest supplier of munitions.... where would you get your munitions from, in need? Perhaps the worlds largest manufacturer? No?

 

what chance against Russia.... well as NATO is all about controlling Russia, and as the US is a part of NATO.... they would probably rely on the US, as the worlds largest manufacturer of munitions, to supply munitions

 

that said, with the US turning its back on NATO and world security, to concentrate on a wall dividing the North American continent, your right in expressing concerns about NATOs capabilities should the US withdraw, because Russia will be the winner of Donald’s initiative to withdraw... thanks Donald!

 

various countries form alliances for a reason.... NATO is a prime example of the strongest of post world war era alliances... and therein is the prime reason to maintain it, vs divide and attack allies

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1 minute ago, farcanell said:

Um.... your linking a NATO initiative to tackle Gaddafi.... the US is a part of NATO, and the worlds largest supplier of munitions.... where would you get your munitions from, in need? Perhaps the worlds largest manufacturer? No?

 

what chance against Russia.... well as NATO is all about controlling Russia, and as the US is a part of NATO.... they would probably rely on the US, as the worlds largest manufacturer of munitions, to supply munitions

 

that said, with the US turning its back on NATO and world security, to concentrate on a wall dividing the North American continent, your right in expressing concerns about NATOs capabilities should the US withdraw, because Russia will be the winner of Donald’s initiative to withdraw... thanks Donald!

 

various countries form alliances for a reason.... NATO is a prime example of the strongest of post world war era alliances... and therein is the prime reason to maintain it, vs divide and attack allies

You're making my point, that can't do anything without us, they can't even build their own munitions, or plan well enough, to order in preparation. Again, the Allies that are critical, should consider their future, before running their mouth. They need us, a lot more than we need them.

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1 hour ago, Roadman said:

You need to re access the Chinese economy destroyed. Latest Chinese V USA trade figures for January are out. Chinese exports to the US dropped by 2.4% against the previous January while USA exports into China dropped a whopping 41.2%. And it’s a double whammy for the USA as a lot of that will be the huge crops that China buys from the US, that Trump has had to pay in subsidies to US farmers to plow them back into the ground. And you could probably add a triple whammy as China is now buying from other world producers so the old story of never giving a sucker a break into your markets will play out. One does not have to look hard to see who the sucker has been in his idiotic trade war. 

One minor positive is at least American corporates with world wide operations like the US corporate I work for are gaining market share as the Chinese look elsewhere in the world for their resources. 

Interesting though that Elon Musk and Tesla are supposed to have just transferred many of their operations bases to China.

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1 minute ago, beechguy said:

You're making my point, that can't do anything without us, they can't even build their own munitions, or plan well enough, to order in preparation. Again, the Allies that are critical, should consider their future, before running their mouth. They need us, a lot more than we need them.

Yet, the only time a NATO member has called upon others to come to its aid for military support was the US in Afghanistan.

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4 minutes ago, beechguy said:

You're making my point, that can't do anything without us, they can't even build their own munitions, or plan well enough, to order in preparation. Again, the Allies that are critical, should consider their future, before running their mouth. They need us, a lot more than we need them.

Oh dear... this situation was engineered by NATO post World War Two, it did not happen by accident... it was a conscious decision in the treatment of arms and military bases in Europe as a whole, which enabled a lot more flexibility within NATO.

 

if the US withdraws, then Russia becomes the preeminent Europeans power, in which case, the US has potentially lost the ability to build up forces locally, (as it always does)... so the need is reciprocal, not as one sided as you portray.... your version is naive at best, but more probably xenophobic.

 

but... if the US does withdraw, the Germans will retool and start beefing up munitions manufacturing (history has shown they can), to replace US supply... ie... make them instead of buy them, which is the current MO.... and that is how easy it is to replace the US... start your own manufacturing (discouraged after WW2 for obvious reasons... right?), vs rely on what is looking like becoming an unreliable partner

 

So... who needs whom more?

 

As I said above, surely it’s reciprocal... or arguably, europe is more needed, as evidenced by the US putting more money into NATO than the European countries.... because they sure as hell don’t do it because they like giving money away.

 

and then, if Europe isn’t procuring munitions from the US, US manufacturing suffers, jobs are lost, profits fall... which is not good for your economy. Again.... your position is naive at best

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21 minutes ago, beechguy said:

You're making my point, that can't do anything without us, they can't even build their own munitions, or plan well enough, to order in preparation. Again, the Allies that are critical, should consider their future, before running their mouth. They need us, a lot more than we need them.

Why do they need the HELP of their allies to fight their oil wars?

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4 hours ago, car720 said:

Chinese economy = destroyed.

Hope so.

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Nato was supposed to keep the Germans down and the Russians out. But thanks to the disaster of German reunification, which never should have been allowed, the Germans are dictators of Europe and they're inviting the Russians to come right on in.

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8 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

What policies would those be? That NATO countries have to pay their fair share? 

Don't pull US troops out of Syria where they are needed to finish off ISIS, protect the best fighters against ISIS (the Kurds) from Turkish aggression

and stop Iran (the biggest supporter of terrorism and the biggest supporter of Syria and Hezbullah. 

Instead pull All US troops out of Europe (where they are Not needed) and make Europe pay for their own defense.

Europe does not want you (that is a Trump US) Most of your other former allies are giving you the cold shoulder if not cold feet.

Go home. 

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6 hours ago, ballpoint said:

Yet, the only time a NATO member has called upon others to come to its aid for military support was the US in Afghanistan.

Europeans haven't had any terrorist attacks?

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6 hours ago, farcanell said:

Oh dear... this situation was engineered by NATO post World War Two, it did not happen by accident... it was a conscious decision in the treatment of arms and military bases in Europe as a whole, which enabled a lot more flexibility within NATO.

 

if the US withdraws, then Russia becomes the preeminent Europeans power, in which case, the US has potentially lost the ability to build up forces locally, (as it always does)... so the need is reciprocal, not as one sided as you portray.... your version is naive at best, but more probably xenophobic.

 

but... if the US does withdraw, the Germans will retool and start beefing up munitions manufacturing (history has shown they can), to replace US supply... ie... make them instead of buy them, which is the current MO.... and that is how easy it is to replace the US... start your own manufacturing (discouraged after WW2 for obvious reasons... right?), vs rely on what is looking like becoming an unreliable partner

 

So... who needs whom more?

 

As I said above, surely it’s reciprocal... or arguably, europe is more needed, as evidenced by the US putting more money into NATO than the European countries.... because they sure as hell don’t do it because they like giving money away.

 

and then, if Europe isn’t procuring munitions from the US, US manufacturing suffers, jobs are lost, profits fall... which is not good for your economy. Again.... your position is naive at best

After spending 10 years in the Persian Gulf, and a couple in out of Iraq and Afghanistan, working with the U.S. military, I think I have a pretty good handle on things. 

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29 minutes ago, beechguy said:

After spending 10 years in the Persian Gulf, and a couple in out of Iraq and Afghanistan, working with the U.S. military, I think I have a pretty good handle on things. 

And yet you seem to have problems understanding the interactions of an alliance.... together we stand, divided we fall.

 

The arrogance that you display, in comments made, is pretty woeful, and unwarranted, but probably a product of the xenophobic American education system.

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