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The EU seems to have infinite patience with its delinquent but retarded family member!
 
In response to the comments above:-
 
1) There is no majority in favor of Brexit anymore
 
2) The EU will not reopen the agreement unless some or all May's "red lines" are removed
 
3) A one year extension will keep all options open and give time for proper discussion of the options which is obviously appropriate for decisions of such importance.

A “delinquent “ Grouse


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6 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

That’s what brexiteers make up. Nothing of that was mentioned on the ballot paper. It only said to leave the EU, nothing about CU, SM, ECJ, hat’s Brexit, BRINO and all the other nonsense Brexiters make up these days.

 

Therefore negating any need to state the add-ons ????

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5 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

That’s what brexiteers make up. Nothing of that was mentioned on the ballot paper. It only said to leave the EU, nothing about CU, SM, ECJ, hard or soft Brexit, BRINO and all the other nonsense Brexiters make up these days.

 

Obviously you have either just jumped on the Brexit/Remain bandwagon or you have not followed the referendum or what the man campaigning as leader of the remain and the prime minister said countless times.

 

If you can't accept that this was said then you are delusional

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dghdvVbtowM

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNnh-KhiLm0

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Obviously you have either just jumped on the Brexit/Remain bandwagon or you have not followed the referendum or what the man campaigning as leader of the remain and the prime minister said countless times.

 

If you can't accept that this was said then you are delusional

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dghdvVbtowM

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNnh-KhiLm0

 

 

 

 

The way to settle the argument on what people want, and get Parliament out of the mess the Government has created, is to put the deal back to the people.

 

Your constant insistence that the majority support Brexit will of course give you much comfort going into such a referendum.

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19 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Nothing seen elsewhere this morning gives any cause for concern; I'm looking forward to the latest Moggcast as he always seems to hit the nail on the head.

In the meantime...

 

Never lose sight of the fact that this creature is a backbench MP with no responsibility to either deliver on what he says or carry the can at a later date. It's easy to be 'right' under such circumstances, not that he is.

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3 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Obviously you have either just jumped on the Brexit/Remain bandwagon or you have not followed the referendum or what the man campaigning as leader of the remain and the prime minister said countless times.

 

If you can't accept that this was said then you are delusional

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dghdvVbtowM

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNnh-KhiLm0

Obviously you forgot that many people said many things. Others said people would have a cake and eat it and get the easiest deal in history, promises that won’t be kept. Are you deciding now what people voted for? 

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6 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Obviously you forgot that many people said many things. Others said people would have a cake and eat it and get the easiest deal in history, promises that won’t be kept. Are you deciding now what people voted for? 

Oh dear the leader of the remain campaign and PM and the person who got through parliament the referendum, are you saying that it isn't relevant. Are we changing the goal posts?

 

If we can't believe the number one Politician in the country after consistently telling the people, along with his 9 million pound remain leaflets, then who can you believe!

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10 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Obviously you forgot that many people said many things. Others said people would have a cake and eat it and get the easiest deal in history, promises that won’t be kept. Are you deciding now what people voted for? 

You statement reminds me of when I was a kid and another kid had a cricket bat and ball. We were all OK playing until he was out and he took his bat and ball in and wouldn't play anymore. He changed the rules when the outcome didn't suit him, even when everything was explained to him countless times.

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2 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Oh dear the leader of the remain campaign and PM and the person who got through parliament the referendum, are you saying that it isn't relevant. Are we changing the goal posts?

 

If we can't believe the number one Politician in the country after consistently telling the people, along with his 9 million pound remain leaflets, then who can you believe!

How do you know that leave voters voted for what the remain campaign said, rather than what the leave campaign said? A pretty unrealistic claim that you cannot prove. 

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1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:

You statement reminds me of when I was a kid and another kid had a cricket bat and ball. We were all OK playing until he was out and he took his bat and ball in and wouldn't play anymore. He changed the rules when the outcome didn't suit him, even when everything was explained to him countless times.

Everybody kows what cricket means and what its rules are. And if there's a dispute, there's a rulebook. Not so much the case with Brexit.

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46 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Hard Brexit is a word made up by remainers. Brexit meant leave the CU, leave the SM and ECJ.

 

Stop using that old chestnut. Brexit is what people voted whatever you put in front of it.

 

Just get a brexiteer in charge and then all you remainers can take off you tin foil hats and see the UK leave the EU. As was promised.

‘Attaboy

 

Blame someone else. If only one of us was in charge we would have done it right?

 

So why didn’t one of your blokes put their money where their mouth was and stand for PM when they had a chance? 

 

Must have ave been someone else’s fault they were electoral poison I guess. Can we blame Merkel for that? 

 

Must be nice to sit in the back bench and pour buckets of sh.t over everyone and take not one iota of responsibility. So much for conservatives and individual responsibility. 

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3 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

Exactly!

 

This surely has to be the most important reason why extending the leave date is pretty pointless?

 

I can understand why politicians prefer to keep kicking the can down the road, but it only benefits the uk if they (finally....) use the time to put leave preparations in place - and, if this is the intent of the uk govt., you can be sure that the eu wouldn't agree to an extension.

As usual, Brexiters miss the key point. EU will not renegotiate UNLESS TM removes red lines. Duh!

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1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:

You statement reminds me of when I was a kid and another kid had a cricket bat and ball. We were all OK playing until he was out and he took his bat and ball in and wouldn't play anymore. He changed the rules when the outcome didn't suit him, even when everything was explained to him countless times.

Rules are normally written clearly on paper for everyone to understand. That’s why you have a ballot paper. People put their cross on a ballot paper, not on their favored campaign leaflet. If anyone is trying to change rules, it’s you and the brexiteers. People only voted to end EU membership, not your other fantasies. 

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3 hours ago, Grouse said:

The EU seems to have infinite patience with its delinquent but retarded family member!

 

In response to the comments above:-

 

1) There is no majority in favor of Brexit anymore

 

2) The EU will not reopen the agreement unless some or all May's "red lines" are removed

 

3) A one year extension will keep all options open and give time for proper discussion of the options which is obviously appropriate for decisions of such importance.

its ok to have an opinion, but your point no 1, to quote things that are unknown as a fact, is stretching the opinion a bit too far. forget all the may be's and stick to the facts, the majority of people that voted in the referendum voted to leave, not leave but only with a good deal, not lets have another vote 2 years down the line, not lets cave in to the remoaners who will not accept that they lost, Cameron is to blame he brought the referendum to the people and then bu**ered off when he lost, he should have had a plan in place for a leave vote.

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5 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

The Brits had two years to make up their mind. And until now they were obviously not able to have a majority for any form of Brexit. A few weeks ago they decided they need an alternative. And the alternative is obviously that the EU should change their mind.

But the EU won't change their mind. The EU told them from the very beginning the possible options and they explained all along the impossible options. You can't have the cake and eat it!

If there is no 2nd referendum or new elections or something else radical what will change? Nothing! They will kick the can down the street a little longer. And after 3 or 6 or 12 months nothing changed.

I hope the EU gives them only an extension if a new referendum is scheduled. Otherwise let them go, with or with out deal. It's their problem.

 

The EU know that a "no deal" would cause very grave problems for the UK and the EU. They are anxious to avoid those problems.

 

Juncker has made sensible comments and also made sure all the EU heads of state know what he and Merkel have decided. Loose canon Macron has probably also been reigned in.

 

 

The real intention is to pave the way for a new vote which they hope will reverse Brexit. 

 

But the split Tories, the splitting Labor goons, and the "look after yourself first - I'm alright Jack" parliament haven't got the bottle to go back to the people, either via another advisory referendum or General Election.

 

 

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1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

Everybody kows what cricket means and what its rules are. And if there's a dispute, there's a rulebook. Not so much the case with Brexit.

There was no dispute what brexit meant the remain leader DC mentioned time and time again. It would seem remainers pretend it didn't happen or lets change it because we can't accept the referendum result.

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Obviously you forgot that many people said many things. Others said people would have a cake and eat it and get the easiest deal in history, promises that won’t be kept. Are you deciding now what people voted for? 

So where is the cake? We voted for it and now we want it.
You forget that those ‘promises’ were made by others. Some of those others were making the negotiations until usurped by Theresa and her capitulation to Angela’s EU.
No need to decide what the people voted for, it was on the ballot paper. It’s Remainers who have been deciding for the last couple of years that the majority voters think they wanted something else - you know, like Remaining.


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6 hours ago, terryw said:

The EU might not object to an extension, but 17.4 million UK voters will object.

 

Any extension will reflect a failure of UK policy and have a negative effect on local elections in May.

Objections are futile the head of the EU mafia has spoken.

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59 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Congratulations that has to be the quote of the week. Obviously you were either not born leading up to the referendum or you simply chose to only hear what you wanted.

 

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If there is anyone who forgot something or chose to ignore it then it’s you and other Brexiters. But if it suits your agenda to lie about what was written on the ballot (and what not) and what people were promised, you’re just confirming what we know about your lot: liars and manipulators, completely detached from reality. 

 

37 minutes ago, Loiner said:

So where is the cake? We voted for it and now we want it.
You forget that those ‘promises’ were made by others.

It was never on the table and everyone told you so. You chose to listen to those that lied to you. That’s your problem alone. 

37 minutes ago, Loiner said:

No need to decide what the people voted for, it was on the ballot paper.

Leave the EU it said, not “issue the Brexiteers a carte Blanche for whatever fantasies they have”

 

37 minutes ago, Loiner said:

It’s Remainers who have been deciding for the last couple of years that the majority voters think they wanted something else

As Brexiteers like to point out, both parties have a leave manifest. And, again, the issue is not that politicians don’t want to leave. It’s Brexiteers who feel entitled to sabotage what happens after leaving, something that was never voted on in any referendum. 

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2 hours ago, steve187 said:

its ok to have an opinion, but your point no 1, to quote things that are unknown as a fact, is stretching the opinion a bit too far. forget all the may be's and stick to the facts, the majority of people that voted in the referendum voted to leave, not leave but only with a good deal, not lets have another vote 2 years down the line, not lets cave in to the remoaners who will not accept that they lost, Cameron is to blame he brought the referendum to the people and then bu**ered off when he lost, he should have had a plan in place for a leave vote.

Statistics tell us that you're too late. You missed the bus. Remainders now outnumber remainders both in the general population and in parliament. Don't believe me? Then let's have a referendum to prove it.

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1 hour ago, Grouse said:

Statistics tell us that you're too late. You missed the bus. Remainders now outnumber remainders both in the general population and in parliament. Don't believe me? Then let's have a referendum to prove it.

Rather think it was you lot that missed the referendum bus. You must have caught the later crazy bus - what are you talking about "Remainders now outnumber remainders..."? Have you been at that coincidentally named scotch?  

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7 hours ago, Loiner said:

Thanks to Yvette Cooper actually, the only necessary legislation is already in place. European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 Section 20 (1) states: exit day” means 29 March 2019 at 11.00 p.m."

Nothing else needed.

Your ignorance of the subject is at "savant" level ... come back to me on 29 March 2019 and explain why we are still in the Article 50 process.

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5 hours ago, maingmoom said:

Please don't give us an extension. We don't want it. The majority , 17.4 million people voted to leave with or without a deal, but the government are still trying to cheat us by trying to stay in.

 

When people voted "leave" they voted for the leave that they were promised ... a negotiated exit with a transition period and at the end of that period a trade deal with the EU. No one need worry about the economic consequences because this would all be in place. 

 

No leave politician stood on a platform and told people they would be crashing out of the EU on WTO terms, not one of them. So when someone voted leave it is impossible for them to say that they were voting for a crash out on WTO terms for the very simple reason that no one was promising that!

 

When a political party sets the income tax rate at 20% in their manifesto you can't say that you voted for them because you wanted a 10% rate. They were not promising that. Same with Brexit. No leave politician stated that we would leave on WTO terms with no transition ... that would have been a vote loser.

 

There is no mandate for that type of Brexit ... it can only be mandated in a second vote. But no Brexiteer wants that ... because the answer would be Remain.

 

 

 

 

 

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