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How is the TM-30 housemaster reporting requirement affecting you?

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A colleague who owns a Condo in Hua Hin, he rents it out has just been informed by the Management that every time he rents it out he has to do a TM30. 

This is the first time since he has owned it, around 10 years he has had too do this.

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Interesting and vaguely confusing replies.

I have a house that I own, I own the house but not the land which of course means I have a leasehold ownership on that property.

I have the blue book (which does not have my Farang name on it as the owner because they don't do the yellow book in Phuket)

 

I RENT my house out, long-term, Should I fill in and sign the TM30 form for my tenants??? or is the land-owner that needs do this? (

 

Can someone please help/educate me...?

Thanks

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4 minutes ago, TheMacMan said:

Interesting and vaguely confusing replies.

I have a house that I own, I own the house but not the land which of course means I have a leasehold ownership on that property.

I have the blue book (which does not have my Farang name on it as the owner because they don't do the yellow book in Phuket)

 

I RENT my house out, long-term, Should I fill in and sign the TM30 form for my tenants??? or is the land-owner that needs do this? (

 

Can someone please help/educate me...?

Thanks

Just go to the local IO I am sure they will advise you.

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38 minutes ago, Jumbo1968 said:

I RENT my house out, long-term, Should I fill in and sign the TM30 form for my tenants??? or is the land-owner that needs do this? (

The owner of the residence must do it.

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3 hours ago, Pungdo said:

I went home to Oz for Xmas and while at Jomtien Immigration getting my re-entry permit I asked if I would need to lodge a new TM30 on my return (or at least my wife) I was told that because I am here on a Retirement Extension I did not need to, but I guess I might find out the hard way when I do my renewal next month.

I am going back next week but just renewed the extension last week so asked about the TM30 and TM28 at Phetchabun. The wife owns the house so they gave her a TM30 to lodge on return but nothing about a TM28. We will be staying in Bangkok overnight on return.

On my previous trip to Oz no TM30 or TM28 were lodged. Had a home inspection shortly after but nothing said about either form missing. So I am totally confused as to what, legally, should be done.

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When this was a Hot Topic on TVF about a year or so ago, I asked my usual, quite sensible I/O and she just shook her head a bit, smiled, and said don't worry about.  But I recognize Immi offices have different ways of doing things. 

 

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I have no knowledge of this and have never been involved in it in any way whatsoever in either Bangkok or Rayong for over 30 years.

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6 hours ago, Sheryl said:

In some provinces you do not need to re-file TM30 for overnight trips within the country, only after leaving the country. And a few provinces don't require it at all though that seems to be changing. My province (Prachinburi) didn't use to either...and then suddenly they did.

 

Even when it is only required after leaving the country it can indeed be quite  hassle.

 

I am the "housemaster" and have to file TM-3os both for myself and for my Cambodian household staff, who go back and forth a lot as their home is near the border. I would estimate that I file about 10-15 TM30s a year, each one accompanied by a massive stack of photocopies.

 

The only "plus" is that it has made me quite well known to my local Imm office. I'm there what feels like constantly.

 

You do not really have to report within 24 hours. 1st working day after day you arrived is fine. After all, arrival may often be on a non-working day or after working hours.  Maybe aim for arrivals on Fridays or Saturdays if you want to give yourself time to rest up.

 

You’re right where I live this is totally a non issue.  I was expecting it to be when I got my last extension so I brought a copy of my landlord’s Tambien Baan signed by him and a copy of his Thai ID card signed by my landlord as well, and a current renewed copy of my lease agreement with my wife’s original Tambien Baan (Thai house registration) to Immigration.  Although Immigration didn’t even want to see it when I offered it to them even though our pictures are at the house we lease they only wanted to see my wife’s original Tambien Baan which is for her family’s house down the street  (Thai house registration).  I even offered to take new pictures in front of my wife’s family’s house where her Tambien Baan is registered but Immigration said that our pictures at our house that we lease was perfectly fine and acceptable.  So even though we lease a different house than where my wife’s Tambien Baan is actually registered it was okay, Immigration didn’t require a TM-30 that I recall or a copy of my landlord’s Tambien Baan, Thai ID Card, or my lease agreement.  Immigration only wanted to see my wife’s original Tambien Baan and of course her Thai ID Card as well as all the rest of the required paperwork for my marriage visa extension.

 

I’ve been living here for almost 5 years and reporting every 90 days and it’s never been an issue up here.   Maybe my landlord reported my address to Immigration and I just wasn’t aware I don’t know I just know that I’ve never had any problems with that before.  

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Each office is different and their rules change from year-to-year. In Chiang Mai, they want you to report only if you've left the country and now have a new departure card number, not after in-country travel.  Recently, they've become sticklers about the 24 hour rule and are even open on Saturdays, just to accept TM30 reports.

 

Our condo office does online filing and in the past the screen-print of their input was sufficient proof of my having a TM30 on-file at the time of application for the one-year retirement extension.  With my recent application, I had to trudge up to the third floor of the new CM immigration building (no elevator/lift in a brand new building) and secure an official TM30 receipt rather than submit the screen print from the condo office.  No fine because I was in full compliance, but the retirement extension officer downstairs wanted to see that official slip of paper with the immigration, not condo, stamp in my passport.  I think my condo's stamp is prettier. 

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Never ever  reported in 6  years and just did new marriage extension..........Hua  Hin  immigration, lets  hope they keep it that way, its a ridiculous rule, you should  tell them only when youve  moved, its a bit  like telling em you still have two arms every time you  leave the province

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6 minutes ago, NancyL said:

Each office is different and their rules change from year-to-year. In Chiang Mai, they want you to report only if you've left the country and now have a new departure card number, not after in-country travel.  Recently, they've become sticklers about the 24 hour rule and are even open on Saturdays, just to accept TM30 reports.

 

Our condo office does online filing and in the past the screen-print of their input was sufficient proof of my having a TM30 on-file at the time of application for the one-year retirement extension.  With my recent application, I had to trudge up to the third floor of the new CM immigration building (no elevator/lift in a brand new building) and secure an official TM30 receipt rather than submit the screen print from the condo office.  No fine because I was in full compliance, but the retirement extension officer downstairs wanted to see that official slip of paper with the immigration, not condo, stamp in my passport.  I think my condo's stamp is prettier. 

Stamping on their heads would be even prettier  still..............and  more satisfying

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1 hour ago, GreasyFingers said:

I am going back next week but just renewed the extension last week so asked about the TM30 and TM28 at Phetchabun. The wife owns the house so they gave her a TM30 to lodge on return but nothing about a TM28. We will be staying in Bangkok overnight on return.

On my previous trip to Oz no TM30 or TM28 were lodged. Had a home inspection shortly after but nothing said about either form missing. So I am totally confused as to what, legally, should be done.

Tell em youve  bought a  camper  van and stay in a  different province everyday.......wait for the confused deer  in the headlights  look

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5 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

FIRST JOE WHERE ARE YOU???

 

I have lived here for 9 years and the only change that I report is when I move to a new residence.

 

I also like most here travel although not out of the country on a regular basis and stay in hotels and such.  I also traveled outside the country to check out the land of OZZ sorry not my brand of beer too expensive.

 

Anyway, I have never ever made a report or had the owner do a report for any of my trips.  Why should I still reside at that location as my permanent location and base?  The hotels that I stay in report that I am there.  

Now I live in Pathum Thani and immigration here have brains that they use.  That may be the difference.

 

My question is why are you telling the owner that you are going away.  If he or she does not know that you have left the house they have no need to report it.

 

If you do not pay rent for the time that you are away then I can understand but really are we starting to micromanage our fears and get paranoid.

 

 

 

I started reading and thought, here is a man to take notice of, then, " land of OZZ sorry not my brand of beer too expensive.". then you lost all credibility. 

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