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1 minute ago, Cadbury said:

General Apirat is a staunch royalist as is Prayut Chan-o-cha. This story from the Strait Times might give you a different slant on things. Particularly the bit about about "Bangkok's media portrays Gen Apirat as a "trusted lieutenant" of Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha"

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/new-thai-army-chief-takes-command

 Do you believe everything you read in the Straights Times? I certainly don't.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 Agree with all your points.

 

Who do is see as an alternative? Agree again, out of a very poor selection possibly future forward, but unproven.

 

But one of their policies worries me, 2,000Baht (2,000?) hand out every month forever for every citizen including the rich.

 

Seems to me:

 

- The real needy won't be impressed at all, both with the policy and the policy makes, could even paint him as aligned to helping / supporting the rich?

 

- But assistance for very low income earners I strongly support. And/or valuable support for low income families with kids at school, hopefully to help them get some education - in my book, the key to everything.

 

- 2,000Baht every month for every person in Thailand - surely the county would be bankrupt very quickly.

 

- And seems to me such monies paid to the rich should have a very different priority - to be used for many other much more valuable development items. 

 

We wait and see.

 

 

Yes its clearly unsustainable 2000 bt a month, unless they really cut military spending a lot. I never like it when policies are made and not shown how they are really going to finance it. It looks fake.

 

I understand why they give it to everyone, i mean sorting it for wealth would make it hard and open for corruption. This way no corruption could get into the system. Maybe that weighs up for paying the rich its not as if there are that much rich Thais.

 

Still i find giving out free money like that NOT a a good policy, almost sounds like a bribe.. vote for me then. This policy could be crazy expensive. 

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1 hour ago, robblok said:

We can't we can only blow hot air as we cannot vote. Its up to the Thais to do something not us. Just imagine the outcry if foreigners messed with your countries politics. Best you can do if you wan't to do anything is try to convince your partner to vote a certain way. I personally won't do that as its not my vote but hers. Otherwise I would stay out of politics. Its all ok to discuss it here but doing something actually could be stupid and dangerous. 

I respect your opinion but what you addressed missed the mark on my post. The key is in my first word "If". As for "convince your partner"; she and family already made their decision, "the right way".

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2 hours ago, neeray said:

If Thaivisa members could vote, this group just produced a landslide victory in favour of change.

No division here. Not a single post-of-support appeared so far. Now, how do we convert that support to reality?

Thinking back tot he time of the coup(s) and so many expats full throated support. 

 

We did warn them, we did predict entirely how this would go, they were told.. Once you support the removal of the democratic choice by force, its very hard to get that force back under democratic control..

 

They've gone mighty quiet now. 

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2 hours ago, neeray said:

If Thaivisa members could vote, this group just produced a landslide victory in favour of change.

No division here. Not a single post-of-support appeared so far. Now, how do we convert that support to reality?

Changed days from even 12 months ago when there were still some dupes refusing to admit the truth and that they were fooled.

 

Pride comes before a fall.

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6 minutes ago, LivinLOS said:

Thinking back tot he time of the coup(s) and so many expats full throated support. 

 

We did warn them, we did predict entirely how this would go, they were told.. Once you support the removal of the democratic choice by force, its very hard to get that force back under democratic control..

 

They've gone mighty quiet now. 

Absolutely bang on.

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46 minutes ago, robblok said:

Yes its clearly unsustainable 2000 bt a month, unless they really cut military spending a lot. I never like it when policies are made and not shown how they are really going to finance it. It looks fake.

 

I understand why they give it to everyone, i mean sorting it for wealth would make it hard and open for corruption. This way no corruption could get into the system. Maybe that weighs up for paying the rich its not as if there are that much rich Thais.

 

Still i find giving out free money like that NOT a a good policy, almost sounds like a bribe.. vote for me then. This policy could be crazy expensive. 

 All agreed.

 

Into the future removing or reducing payouts like this very very difficult, that's part of my ultimate reasoning for NOT giving it to the rich. 

 

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1 hour ago, Cadbury said:

General Apirat is a staunch royalist as is Prayut Chan-o-cha. This story from the Strait Times might give you a different slant on things. Particularly the bit about about "Bangkok's media portrays Gen Apirat as a "trusted lieutenant" of Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha"

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/new-thai-army-chief-takes-command

There are two distinct factions within the officer corps. Both groups are akin to masonic lodges. Both groups have wildly imaginative nicknames, which suggest extraordinary military prowess! These factions owe their allegiances to two very different, very powerful men. There is considerable bad blood between these two. The current Junta is drawn from one faction, who have been in the ascendence for some time. This fellow is from the other faction, whose star might be said to be rising. Despite their bitter, perhaps deadly, rivalry, these two factions have one thing in common; they have no time for democracy, and no interest in what the people want. 

 

This election, is merely the precursor to a struggle to govern between these two factions.

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6 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

It appears that the animosity that existed some 40 years ago when student protests were met with military resistence...still exists today.

 

This could become another dark and violent time in Thai history.  It is difficult to reason with people who have guns.

What happened back then may possibly happen again soon.

 

The drawback for the military is that what they could hide so easily back then will not be so easy to hide nowadays with so many smart phones having cameras and internet access and the social media.

 

They only way that this government, or another coup government, could stop the news leaking out in the short term would be to block the internet completely, close down all the media press, censor the TV and radio and close ALL the border crossings, including ALL international airports and sea crossings.

 

That of course will play havoc with all the millions of tourists coming in on holidays not to mention the immense loss of income from those tourists.

 

They would also need to keep people 25 or more km shutdown and moved, so that nobody can sneak up to the borders and use the internet connections from neighbouring countries.

 

What Gen Apirat and ALL the other generals don't understand is that the day of the dinosaur has gone and they should have gone with it.

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4 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

The reason why Thailand has so many generals is simple - Thai generals are promoted in bunch, those who graduated from the same class and service in similar post from the same period are always promoted together (like Japanese officers in WWII). That’s why there are always a bunch of generals, most of them are not in command of any unit and served an advisory role to their senior.

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Rather than  "are always promoted together (like Japanese officers in WWII)", I was expecting to read "promoted together (like sheep)".

 

Very fitting that the collective noun for Thai generals appears to be "a bunch"!

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1 hour ago, LivinLOS said:

Thinking back tot he time of the coup(s) and so many expats full throated support. 

 

We did warn them, we did predict entirely how this would go, they were told.. Once you support the removal of the democratic choice by force, its very hard to get that force back under democratic control..

 

They've gone mighty quiet now. 

Not quiet at all.

 

There is little doubt that the NCOP has really gone off the rails.

 

But what is still in the picture is that the previous 'democratically elected' (not true) government was massively / criminally derelict, laugh in the face of the poor unpaid farmers, tried to drain the depositors funds out a bank, had no hesitation to try illegal moves, vote at 3 am in the morning to give their convicted criminal fled paymaster amnesty,  massively reduce the resources for anti-corruption activities, get approval for 3 Trillion Baht trough with no fixed details of how it could be used, and reduce / delete the checks and balances, etc., so that could never be voted out of power. 

 

Now away your go with the junta lover comments, instead of logical argument. 

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Sticky Wicket said:

Hard to feel sorry for such an apathetic, acquiescent nation of people. 

Now I DO feel sorry for the Thai people because they are mostly unarmed and have no really safe way to protest at the Army coups.

 

Would anybody here willingly step up unarmed, to a mass of soldiers, armed with rifles, APCs, tanks etc and tell them that they are wrong and should return to their barracks and never stage a coup again?

 

I certainly wouldn't or couldn't.

 

There is a small glimmer of hope in my mind that as the majority of soldiers are conscripts they may refuse to open fire on unarmed civilians, some of whom may be part of their families. Sure if that happens there will be some soldiers shot by the regulars and it may tip the rest into returning fire and mutinying.

 

This only my thoughts and opinions. There is a breaking point somewhere for Thais.

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23 minutes ago, JAG said:

There are two distinct factions within the officer corps. Both groups are akin to masonic lodges.

Please do not sully the good name of Antient Free and Accepted Freemasonry by comparing to the Thai military.

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9 minutes ago, billd766 said:

There is a small glimmer of hope in my mind that as the majority of soldiers are conscripts they may refuse to open fire on unarmed civilians

I think you'll find that the conscripts are not the troops that are used when suppressing protests / firing on protestors. In those cases, they use "professional" soldiers or zealous paramilitaries, certainly not green conscripts.

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