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Human error and outdated IT led to Hakeem al-Araibi's detention, says Australian border force official

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1 hour ago, gearsau said:

Probably on a " Rostered Day Off " and forgot to send it when they came back to work.

The smoke signals got misinterpreted in the smog in Bangkok 😆

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Email... I wonder if they really mean Email?

The Email protocol doesn't guarantee delivery of the message.

So I hope for them this is a simple mistake in the statement, or they really use email, in which case it's (almost criminal) negligence.

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33 minutes ago, ttrd said:

An apologize for Thai's means admitting wrongdoing - admitting wrongdoing means loss of face - so better to deny ... :coffee1:

assuming you are referring to the point it was a screwup at the Thai end - a fact check on your part might be appropriate. 

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3 hours ago, AntiAut said:

What is an email pls, can you speak Thai, me no underesetand.

The so called "Australian Border Force" staffed by Australian public service officers level 3 to what ever, are basically a group of people with severe personality disorders! A quick look will see thieves and and petty criminals pepper their ranks. If you read the Australian Federal Ombudsman reports on the ABF you will see the total arrogance and inability to accept errors of judgement when dealing with the public! They are never held to account!

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 Settled law suit against the government. A book deal.  Hopefully when that's all finished  he can look back on it and feel like the winner of Survivor Thai Gaol.

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3 hours ago, bipper said:

You need to read it again. Thai actions as a result of Australian Border Patrol incompetence. Seems both at fault.

Why the stupid face? Only responding to some Ausse gone now trying to blame Thailand.

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I would like to know if he is still wanted in Bahrain???? He was convicted was the last I read??

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3 hours ago, British Bulldog said:

Amazing that a persons life can hang on such a thin thread .... what if the person concerned did in fact send the email and it disappeared into black hole as have many of mine ... you'd think a more secure and double/triple check system could be put in place and not leave it down to one individual and 1 email .... sheesh !

Exactly, is there not both electronic and manual checking, by a senior officer, on matters this sensitive / this critical to both the diplomat scenario, critical to the absolutely correct functioning of the Australian authorities and the interpol authorities and of course to prevent and errors such as did happen which put a young man in jail for 3 months?

 

Surely there should be a requirement for a quite senior officer to sign off, and quickly, before any action is taken and to ensure all appropriate actions are in process?

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5 hours ago, grumbleweed said:

Oh dear! Anything the Thais can do we can do better

Tell me again: Which country is like Burma with electric?

 

Sorry my Ozzie friends, couldn't resist. But I know, like your superior Brit cousins, you can take a joke at your expense, unlike the Uranus Sanctimonious lot

That’s good considering the Brits cannot even deport people with terrorist links who are allowed to stay in the country because the European Court says it’s ok 

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3 hours ago, manarak said:

Email... I wonder if they really mean Email?

The Email protocol doesn't guarantee delivery of the message.

So I hope for them this is a simple mistake in the statement, or they really use email, in which case it's (almost criminal) negligence.

So what form of communication do you suggest they use registered mail?

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Maybe the main lesson to be learned from this unfortunate chain of events is for refugees to remain in the country that has offered them refugee status until their status has been upgraded to that of citizen.

 

Particularly where the refugee has been convicted, rightly or wrongly, of a crime in their home country and is at risk if away from the country of refuge, even if supposedly covered by any UN dictate.

 

It seems that at least a couple of official refugee associations in Australia advise that such, non urgent, overseas travel is not advisable, presumably for the very reasons as seen in this case. That Hakeem appears to have been given contrary advice by other organisations clearly did not lessen the risks.

 

In any event, it seems rather foolish to plan a honeymoon trip just a few months (by all accounts) before he would have qualified for an Aussie passport. It's still uncertain precisely how Bahrain caught wind of his trip to Thailand, possibly via official channels as noted in the OP, or maybe simply by word of mouth as he was no doubt still in contact with family and friends back home. He appears to have upset the Bahrain authorities subsequent to his arrival in Australia by criticising some highly connected officials (is this normal for those under refugee status?), so his movements may well have been under some scrutiny, who knows?

 

Thailand was an easy target as the party at fault, but these matters are never one of black and white. That their final actions to make direct contact with Bahrain resolved the issue is a definite plus. The actions of all actors, Bahrain, Australia, Thailand and Hakeem, all played a part and fully deserve any subsequent scrutiny.  

  

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3 hours ago, Ramdas said:

Thaïs incompetence needless to say, I wonder if they received a bribe from Barhain 🤔

Would you care to elaborate how following international law and protocol is incompetence?

 

From what I see the incompetence is clearly evident on the part of the ABP and a rather shabby excuse/admittance of  “human error and outdated IT” which resulted in causing a young man and his family much distress.

 

I don’t see how Thailand can be blamed.

 

Yes Thailand has a lot of incompetent officials but in this case I think the diplomatic move to talk to Bahrain which resulted in Al-Araibi being released should be lauded if anything.

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