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Hey Guys.

 

I believe I am an alcoholic. But I am not sure if there are different types of alcoholic?

I mean, I can go weeks at a time without drinking - I don't "need" a drink. I do not drink at home. But any excuse to go out drinking, and I am there. My "problem" is that when I start, I cannot stop. If I went for a beer after work, I would continue on drinking with anyone that will participate, until 2,3,4, or even 5am. I don't get hangovers. I don't feel sick. Until recently, I never had any (additional) behavioural problems such as fighting or aggresion, but the latter is slowly creeping in and I am scared of that!!!

So, I have started to read up "alcoholism", but it seems that most of the information out there is directed at "dependance" or "addiction". As such, I do not fee "addicted" to alcohol - but maybe I am and I just don't realise it. I do not have cravings for a drink - I have never felt like I "need" a drink. I don't have a drink to "steady my nerves" or any of those stigmas. For me, I just don't want to miss out on the party.

So I ask, are there different types of alcoholism and if so are there different approaches to beating the issue?

So I be saying "I will never drink again"?

I am not a spiritual person, so putting faith in a higher power is not for me really.

Please note anything I have written here I am expressing as an idea, not fact. I stand to be corrected on any, or all of it.

Any suggestion would be appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance.

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42 minutes ago, roroeow7 said:

So I ask, are there different types of alcoholism and if so are there different approaches to beating the issue?

 

I managed to stop the binge drinking ten years back, but I still get a bit drunk every day.

Not sure I fit in the definition of 'alcoholic' as it doesn't appear to affect my life.

I definitely can't stop, nor do I want to stop.

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For a long time I was "I really must stop spending so much money on beer some time" but never got around to it. 

Once I got to "if you don't stop you are going to have to leave Thailand and ditch your wife and kid" I stopped thinking it might be a good idea and knew it was essential. Some people would rather die than stop drinking.

Amazing. Not a drop for two years, now 4 -5 small Changs a week, partly because I love walking down to the shop after school with the kids and it's the only thing they have I might like. Not the thin edge of a wedge either.

You have to be convinced that it is the right thing to do, not just intellectually but in your gut.

Good luck mate.

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Possibly due to boredom.

Join a tennis club or temple travel club where psis ups are less likely to happen.

Join a gym. Focus on healthy living. Etc.usual advice I think.

I don't think you're a true alcoholic if you're not seeking out alcohol every 2nd day.

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Thank you likerdup1 for step 12... I hope your post helps at least one more than me, hopefully, many - Despite my 23 years, it surely helped me and I am deeply grateful for that.

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Oh man, you sound like me.

 

It's hard to say "never again". If we conformed to the traditional view of what an alcoholic is then we'd have no choice but take action. I bet you feel sort of in limbo? You feel "well its  it that bad, really". Which is why I found it/find it too hard to say never and quit totally. So I have learned to recognise there is a time and place that it's ok to let the demon out. I have learned the triggers and recognised the wisdom in the phrase "you can't have 2 if you don't have the first".

 

So now I try to limit my indulging at times that it is expected i.e. birthdays, new year, special occasions, and I have talked it over with my good friends that know not to encourage or tempt me, and make allowance for my abnormality when we do start drinking. I try to avoid "Friday night beers" which is just drinking for drinking sake, and since when I start I cannot stop then I have a Friday or Saturday night only rule. It's not ideal, I could probably do better, but it's a million times better than I was.

 

Hope that helps.

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Non alchoholics don't wonder whether or not they're alcoholic.

 

Keep riding it until the wheels fall off and then try AA.

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On 2/20/2019 at 6:23 PM, roroeow7 said:

I do not have cravings for a drink - I have never felt like I "need" a drink. I don't have a drink to "steady my nerves" or any of those stigmas. For me, I just don't want to miss out on the party.

You are not an alcoholic, you have some other mental illness. See a doctor.

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On 2/21/2019 at 12:26 AM, likerdup1 said:

I've been a long time AA member and am an alcoholic. For a long time I didn't think I was an alcoholic because I didn't drink daily. I wasnn't a maintenance drinker. It got to be a problem for me so I would stop for a couple months. But then I would decide to "party" again and try to control it. I found in the next 3 years of trying to control it I really could not. Once I started drinking I would just keep on going. Then after I really honestly wanted to stop I found I couldn't do it permanently. The best I did was 6 months. I also tried ONLY AA meetings but not the 12 steps. That didn't work very well either. I stopped for longer but then I'd go back to it just the same. Finally I had had it and asked for and got a sponsor in AA.  I did the 12 steps with his guidance and finally I got real recovery, not just abstinence but a feeling like I don't need a drink anymore ... ever. All this from practicing the 12 steps and having some open-mindedness.

 

The Book Alcoholics Anonymous as a precise definition of what alcoholism is and I am cutting and pasting a summary from a Blog that I publish.  Here is AA's description of what alcoholism is "as they see it" from the book "Alcoholics Anonymous"

 

The problem: Alcoholism - a illness that has two parts. An allergy of the body coupled with an obsession of the mind. AA states “alcoholics are powerless over alcohol”. “We alcoholics are men and women who have lost the ability to CONTROL our drinking”. (Page 30 Alcoholics Anonymous)

a) Allergy of the body - also described as a physical allergy to alcohol.
A person with alcoholism lacks the ability to control the amount they take once they start drinking. A physical craving develops after one or two drinks which overwhelms even a strong desire to moderate or stop. This craving happens only in people with alcoholism and is an abnormal reaction to alcohol. The medical explanation of this is that an alcoholics body metabolizes alcohol "improperly" and slightly different than a non-alcoholic. This difference sets up a craving in alcoholics AFTER they start to drink. This is why AA's benefactor Dr. W. D. Silkworth describes it is an allergy. Alcoholics have an abnormal reaction (same as an allergy) to alcohol. When non-alcoholics drink their reaction is normal, they enjoy one or two drinks and nothing bad happens. When real alcoholics have even a couple of drinks they can’t help but to continue drinking. They are compelled to keep drinking by a physical craving which is an abnormal reaction to alcohol. Alcoholics are allergic to alcohol in much the same way a person may be allergic to peanuts, but instead of  developing a rash they develop this physical craving to keep drinking. This is described as the "phenomenon of craving" (Doctors opinion chapter in the AA book)

b) Obsession of the mind - also described as a mental obsession.
Even when sincerely wanting to, a *real alcoholic will find he or she cannot quit entirely. They lack the ability using will power. Real alcoholics cannot abstain from alcohol for any lasting and contented period of time even when honestly wanting to. Alcoholics have an alcoholic mind which dooms them to make the mistake of the first drink over and over again. When sincerely not wanting to drink, they might stop and be able to stay sober for awhile, but eventually go back to it with the same undesired consequences.

To summarize about alcoholics. They are:
a) Powerless to control how much they drink once they start. (this is the Physical Allergy)
b) Powerless to quit drinking entirely even when honestly wanting to. (this is the Mental Obsession)

You forgot the third part,  a spiritual malady. Search Carl Jung and alcoholism.

 

To the OP, I've met thousands of alcoholics and can't remember any not drinking at home. An alcoholic will drink anywhere and everywhere.

 

After a night out, do you need a morning drink to be able to function properly? Alcoholics do.

 

 

 

 

 

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