Three UK Conservatives quit party in protest at 'disastrous Brexit'

[rixalex]

5 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Resigning from any party takes courage, I think that should be blindingly obvious for anyone, whatever their views.

No, not really. They have maintained their jobs, maintained their salaries, and in the case of the three Tory MPs, been told that the door is open for them to return. Don't see too many downsides for them personally, particularly if they refuse to call by-elections, (or should i say, "a people's vote"?).

[dunroaming]

Another Labour Party MP resigns.  Ian Austin has today announced that he is resigning but not to join the independent group. He is saying that it is to do with Corbin rather than Brexit

 

Meanwhile there are up to a hundred Tory MP's who are prepared to rebel next week to stop a no-deal Brexit if May's "reworked" deal cannot command a majority in parliament.

 

Clearly not everyone is prepared to stand by and let May screw the country.

[melvinmelvin]

19 hours ago, Timbob said:

If they resign from their party, then they should resign as an MP and call a by-election. This is not a radical view. It's the right thing to do. If you believe they were voted in based on their individual merits then by your own logic, they have nothing to fear and will be re-elected. You and I know they won't do this because they are political cowards.

 

But I welcome more resignations, particularly from Labour. They can then be replaced by true socialists at the next GE, in which Corbyn will become PM.

   

 

if you are a properly elected MP, is it at all possible to resign from the duties as an MP?

(apart from not running in the next election)

[Timbob]

8 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

I see Corbyn wanted his fellow traveller Derek Hatton back in the fold, he was stopped when LP members, actually in possession of a brain, pointed out he was a total liability. Maybe that's the kind of "True Socialist" you had in mind. It did cause me to look up the old GBH TV series, wonderful stuff.

Who told you Corbyn wanted Hatton back? Pure speculation. He signed up as a member, not to run for office. He has promptly been thrown out. 

 

8 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

I left the LP when B'liar invaded Iraq. Fortunately in Scotland we have a real alternative - the SNP - that is carrying out decent practical left wing policies while the branch office Scottish LP is cosying up to its' Tory Unionist friends.

I also quit the party because of Iraq and rejoined in 2015 to vote for Corbyn and have remained since. If I was Scottish then I would probably vote SNP.

 

8 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

I would like to see the LP win more seats in England, but facing the worst, most disunited Tory party in my lifetime, they can hardly achieve level pegging in the polls. Time for them to stop blaming everybody else for their failure and accept the truth, their leader (The messiah who is incapable of considering he might ever be wrong) is indescribably inadequate. He is also a total turn off to your average voter who you need to win elections. The LP are loosing 10s of 1,000s of members, I wonder why. JC's Brexit duplicity maybe.
 

You seem to believe everything you read.... a true propaganda success story!

 

No Party is going to be way ahead in the polls at this stage because of brexit. Less than 2 years ago JC nearly became PM and will do it next time. Why do you think they are so scared to call a GE? But hey, just keep repeating the mantra 'unelectable, unelectable'. As for members.... do you have evidence to back that up? Last time I heard, over 500,000 members.   

 

I just heard Ian Austin has quit. Best news of the week!

 

Oh and funny how 1% of Tories resign = quit, but when 3% of Labour = split. Now we know that a split means between 1% and 3%. Just another example of subtle media bias.

[Nigel Garvie]

16 hours ago, Timbob said:

Who told you Corbyn wanted Hatton back? Pure speculation. He signed up as a member, not to run for office. He has promptly been thrown out. 

 

I also quit the party because of Iraq and rejoined in 2015 to vote for Corbyn and have remained since. If I was Scottish then I would probably vote SNP.

 

You seem to believe everything you read.... a true propaganda success story!

 

No Party is going to be way ahead in the polls at this stage because of brexit. Less than 2 years ago JC nearly became PM and will do it next time. Why do you think they are so scared to call a GE? But hey, just keep repeating the mantra 'unelectable, unelectable'. As for members.... do you have evidence to back that up? Last time I heard, over 500,000 members.   

 

I just heard Ian Austin has quit. Best news of the week!

 

Oh and funny how 1% of Tories resign = quit, but when 3% of Labour = split. Now we know that a split means between 1% and 3%. Just another example of subtle media bias.

OK - I don't disagree with much of what you say here. You are correct that I read that Corbyn was in favour of letting Hatton back in, that may have been wrong. Again the way I read it Hatton was actually accepted as a member until they found one of his recent diatribes to be unpalatable. I read about decreasing membership in a number of different articles. No I don't take everything I read as gospel- far from it, however I don't have the time or inclination to check everything I read in multiple sources, I do have a life, and I expect many others in this forum don't have the time to check everything also.

 

I simply don't think you can 262 out of 650 seats near, when the Tories got 318, and it will be harder next time with the boundary changes. Saying "unelectable" could be seen as a mantra if you like, I wish it were not true. However I do think that it is very hard to be elected in England if you don't attract middle ground voters.

I bear Jeremy Corbyn no ill will, he is a decent principled man, if I am looking for advice on the best anorak to wear to the protest march I'm sure he would be friendly and helpful. Sadly I don't think he is adequate to lead a party, because he lives on a planet where he is the one fighting for justice for the weak and downtrodden, and it is impossible for him to consider that he might be wrong about anything. Leaders can't be that inflexible IMHO he is not the Messiah. 

[evadgib]

The apparently found anti-semetic tweets in Hatton's a/c cira 2012 as part of their vetting process.

[dunroaming]

23 hours ago, dunroaming said:

Another Labour Party MP resigns.  Ian Austin has today announced that he is resigning but not to join the independent group. He is saying that it is to do with Corbin rather than Brexit

 

Meanwhile there are up to a hundred Tory MP's who are prepared to rebel next week to stop a no-deal Brexit if May's "reworked" deal cannot command a majority in parliament.

 

Clearly not everyone is prepared to stand by and let May screw the country.

Following on from that post, today three senior cabinet members ( Amber Rudd, David Gauke and Greg Clarke) have said that they will defy the Prime Minister and vote to extend article 50 if May's Brexit deal doesn't go through.

[Timbob]

3 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

I bear Jeremy Corbyn no ill will, he is a decent principled man, if I am looking for advice on the best anorak to wear to the protest march I'm sure he would be friendly and helpful. Sadly I don't think he is adequate to lead a party, because he lives on a planet where he is the one fighting for justice for the weak and downtrodden, and it is impossible for him to consider that he might be wrong about anything. Leaders can't be that inflexible IMHO he is not the Messiah. 

I'm glad you don't believe everything you read. Too many people do, unfortunately. 

 

I don't know anyone who thinks he is the Messiah. It's just another way of insulting his supporters, who are all members of a cult apparently. 'Dear Leader' is another slur I see a lot. I happen to think he's an excellent leader, albeit an unconventional one. He has his faults but I support him because of his views. If he started talking like a Tory then I would no longer support him. It's that simple.

[Chomper Higgot]

23 hours ago, Timbob said:

Who told you Corbyn wanted Hatton back? Pure speculation. He signed up as a member, not to run for office. He has promptly been thrown out. 

 

I also quit the party because of Iraq and rejoined in 2015 to vote for Corbyn and have remained since. If I was Scottish then I would probably vote SNP.

 

You seem to believe everything you read.... a true propaganda success story!

 

No Party is going to be way ahead in the polls at this stage because of brexit. Less than 2 years ago JC nearly became PM and will do it next time. Why do you think they are so scared to call a GE? But hey, just keep repeating the mantra 'unelectable, unelectable'. As for members.... do you have evidence to back that up? Last time I heard, over 500,000 members.   

 

I just heard Ian Austin has quit. Best news of the week!

 

Oh and funny how 1% of Tories resign = quit, but when 3% of Labour = split. Now we know that a split means between 1% and 3%. Just another example of subtle media bias.

I seldom agree with anything you say but you’ve got more than a few good points here.

 

However, for me, Corbyn has failed to combat the weakest Tory government in living history.

[Grouse]

I have heard Corbyn three times today. What a nasty little man.

[Timbob]

58 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I seldom agree with anything you say but you’ve got more than a few good points here.

 

However, for me, Corbyn has failed to combat the weakest Tory government in living history.

Thank you kind Sir.

 

But I'm not sure what you mean by 'failed to combat'. Is this not impressive:

 

• Inflicts the biggest ever defeat on a Government.
• Wins first vote ever finding a Government in contempt of parliament.
• Forces first defeat on a Finance Bill in 40 years.

But hey, he's not a leader I guess. Oh and don't forget the biggest swing to Labour in a GE since 1945. 

 

Another thing... did anyone notice how the media fawned over May when she faced her vote of no confidence? She was described as resilient, tough, determined, brave, etc. Nobody faces more abuse than Corbyn... it's a vicious onslaught every day. He just gets on with it. The man is unbelievably resilient.

 

One criticism I have of him is that he has been too kind to his political opponents, such as those PLP plotters who just quit. 

 

It's fine if you don't like him or disagree with his policies. But he most definitely is not a poor leader or weak.