Up to 15 British ministers may vote to stop UK from leaving EU on March 29: Bloomberg

[sanemax]

Just now, Spidey said:

No, lets get back to why you had a mad rant about Farage. Did I say anything about him?

 

I mentioned Tommy Islam because the lad in question is a member of UKIP. Farage allegedly resigned from UKIP because the likes of Tommy Islam were allowed to join. It's commonly accepted that a lot of new, young members have recently joined, specifically because of their adulation for Tommy Islam.

 

Tommy Islam, a.k.a. Steven Yaxley-Lennon, has a string of criminal convictions from beating up his girlfriend in the street, (for which he was jailed) assaulting a policeman who tried to stop him and football violence convictions. He's a violent little thug with a big mouth and a small brain who makes his living by spouting racial hatred on the internet.

No, someone mentioned Ferage and then you then mentioned Tommy and I mistakenly assumed that Tommy was the person in question .

  Now , *15 British Ministers may vote to stop UK leaving the E.U.*

Tommy & Ferage are not included in that group of Politicians , so, lets get back on topic  

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, Spidey said:

UCL has a large percentage of Moslem students. Ranting his racist anti Moslem diatribe on campus would be offensive to many of the other students. 

A ranting diatribe was not described, except by you. Just your read on it with the usual added twist. He wasn't at UCL anyway but that is irrelevant to the point that only some points of view seem to be allowed these days.  

[yogi100]

21 hours ago, SheungWan said:

You live in South-East London, south of the River? Oh dear.

 

You appear to be surprised and possibly disappointed.

 

 There are around 1.9 million people in SE London and at least 18 million who live South of the Thamres if that's the river you're referring to.

[yogi100]

20 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

I beg your p(iss)

 

not possible to obtain guns in UK?

 

cannot get a gun to hunt Grouses?

cannot get a gun to hunt whatever?

cannot do competitive rifle shooting

shooting at these clay things being thrown up in the air, cannot do?

cannot hunt ducks?

cannot do competitive pistol shooting in the UK?

 

give me a break

 

 

Were you going to say a break barrel air rifle.

 

If so I'm not giving you one, go to the shop and buy one yourself.

[Spidey]

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

A ranting diatribe was not described, except by you. Just your read on it with the usual added twist. He wasn't at UCL anyway but that is irrelevant to the point that only some points of view seem to be allowed these days.  

"The University of Central Lancashire, in Preston, sanctioned him after receiving multiple complaints about “offensive and inappropriate comments” in lectures and seminars." 

 

UCL = University of Central Lancashire. If you want to exchange "ranting diatribe" for "offensive and inappropriate comments" up to you.

 

The only points of view that aren't allowed these days are "race hate speech", or would you allow that too?

[sanemax]

11 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

He said his problems had begun during a break in a lecture. “I went over to another table to try and socialise because everyone was still pretty new. I was trying to make friends with more people. We got on to the subject of food and what takeaways we ate. All I did was voice my opinions . . . I am against halal meat.

 

A student who feels that halah meat , the process of killing animals by slitting their throat and letting them bleed to death without stunning them first , is inhumane and he gets banned from Uni for saying that .

   So, students who want to study at that Uni must not disagree with the process of halal meat or if they do, keep quiet about it 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

When you hear someone make these comments in public, you wonder what other opinions they have that they don't make public?

 

When Hitler rose to power he was voted in, he won the popular vote. He didn't declare that should you vote for him he'll get rid of his political opponents and never allow another vote, nor did he say that he would exterminate every Jewish person he could get his hands on. That came later.

 

The next war in this world will involve nuclear weapons, I'm hoping not to be alive to see it as millions will die and the survivors will depend on the kindness of strangers from other countries, as their countries will be a wasteland. If everybody views the world like Sebastian no one will help them ... perhaps Sebastian might find that he's one of them? I wonder how strong his conviction will be then?

 

 

You should write a book. A WW3 and Physco mix. Fiction of course. 

[nong38]

Both major parties stood on a platform manifesto that stated that they supported leaving the EU and respect the peoples decision to leave, they voted to leave the EU in Parliament, they knew the date was set for 29th March, I find it amazing now that some of the people seem to have forgotten what they were elected for and what they confirmed in Parliament, the power has certainly gone to some of the heads. Some like Sourpuss MP for Broxtowe are going against the direct wishes of her voters who voted by a majority of 6000 to leave, some of the others like Rudd have little time left in Parliament with her tiny majority will be out anyway at the next election, the last rites of a deluded member and whatever happened to collective responsibility in cabinet? You either leave or accept it.

The Establishment really does not like the "People" poking it in the eye, it cannot accept against all the odds that it lost the referendum and what is happening now is that the leaving date is just a matter of weeks away and their actions may well end up with the last thing they want to leave without a deal, it would be in every ones interest to try and get a deal, it will go to the wire but these Ministers especially and all the other remainers should be fighting for the best deal before the deadline is reached. Kicking the date down the road solves nothing and costs us, yes us not the MP's, 7B and for what, we get nothing for that 7B.

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, sanemax said:

A student who feels that halah meat , the process of killing animals by slitting their throat and letting them bleed to death without stunning them first , is inhumane and he gets banned from Uni for saying that .

   So, students who want to study at that Uni must not disagree with the process of halal meat or if they do, keep quiet about it 

Exactly. So much for the animal welfare proponents!

[Spidey]

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

A student who feels that halah meat , the process of killing animals by slitting their throat and letting them bleed to death without stunning them first , is inhumane and he gets banned from Uni for saying that .

   So, students who want to study at that Uni must not disagree with the process of halal meat or if they do, keep quiet about it 

Well if you really believe him when he claims that that is all he said, then you're even more naïve than I thought. Either that or you are trying to justify your agenda.

 

I thought you were going back on topic, too difficult for you?

[sanemax]

Just now, Spidey said:

Well if you really believe him when he claims that that is all he said, then you're even more naïve than I thought. Either that or you are trying to justify your agenda.

 

I thought you were going back on topic, too difficult for you?

I am willing to listen, do state what else he said to get himself banned from Uni ?

How about stop calling me naive and suggesting that I have an agenda and just tell me what he said to warrant getting a ban from Uni and then I can decide whether I feel that a ban was appropriate or not

[yogi100]

9 hours ago, SheungWan said:

The student is not studying engineering. He is studying Social Work Studies maybe/probably with some vocational aspect and that requires aspects of diversity appreciation/understanding. Sounds like an aspirant political stunt artist. University of Central Lancashire. The last thing the Social Work profession needs is some extreme right-wing nutter pushing his luck. If he wants to try that on, then study something else, somewhere else.

How on earth and in what way is he an "extreme right-wing nutter"?

[ivor bigun]

After reading this and how free speech seems to be curtailed more and more ,all i can say is 1984 has arrived ,they just call it something else.

Sent from my SM-A720F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app

[Spidey]

11 minutes ago, Spidey said:

The University of Central Lancashire, in Preston, sanctioned him after receiving multiple complaints about “offensive and inappropriate comments” in lectures and seminars." 

 

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

I am willing to listen, do state what else he said to get himself banned from Uni ?

How about stop calling me naive and suggesting that I have an agenda and just tell me what he said to warrant getting a ban from Uni and then I can decide whether I feel that a ban was appropriate or not

Clearly, from the statement by the university, who I would definitely believe over him, it was more than a discussion about halal meat in the refectory. "multiple complaints about “offensive and inappropriate comments” in lectures and seminars." 

 

As I've previously said, this university wouldn't suspend him for having one heated discussion in the refectory.

[nauseus]

23 minutes ago, Spidey said:

"The University of Central Lancashire, in Preston, sanctioned him after receiving multiple complaints about “offensive and inappropriate comments” in lectures and seminars." 

 

UCL = University of Central Lancashire. If you want to exchange "ranting diatribe" for "offensive and inappropriate comments" up to you.

 

The only points of view that aren't allowed these days are "race hate speech", or would you allow that too?

UCL stands for University College London, it really does. UCLan is your Lancashire school.

 

The two words in question "ranting" and "diatribe" were first used by you in this substring.

 

We don't have a transcript of the conversation so it is not known if hate speech was involved. But you prefer not to give any benefit of doubt. 

 

[AlexRich]

17 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You should write a book. A WW3 and Physco mix. Fiction of course. 

You’ll be one of my central characters.

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

You’ll be one of my central characters.

And I, General Disorder, will save the world from destruction! And remainers!

[Spidey]

7 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

How on earth and in what way is he an "extreme right-wing nutter"?

UKIP has changed in both it's demography and political aims. It can now be regarded as an extreme right wing organisation, particularly as former National Front members have infiltrated it's executive. Similar to Labour and Momentum, who have taken Labour to the hard left.

 

The lad is a member of UKIP and was sanctioned for "multiple complaints about “offensive and inappropriate comments” in lectures and seminars." 

Extreme right wing nutter seems to fit the bill.

[AlexRich]

22 minutes ago, sanemax said:

A student who feels that halah meat , the process of killing animals by slitting their throat and letting them bleed to death without stunning them first , is inhumane and he gets banned from Uni for saying that .

   So, students who want to study at that Uni must not disagree with the process of halal meat or if they do, keep quiet about it 

SInce when was killing animals ever “humane”? In abbotoirs up and down the country livestock is being lined up and slaughtered on an industrial scale. 

 

Little bigot Sebastian is simply creating a “straw man” ... halal slaughtering is unacceptable to him because it is practiced by people who are unacceptable to him ... Muslims. Straight out of the Tommy Islam handbook. He cares about the animals, or the kids that get abused ... but really he doesn’t ... it’s just a convenient story that gives plausible deniability to his underlying objective ... the demonisation of Muslims. If Muslims weren’t involved in halal, he wouldn’t give a toss about it.

[yogi100]

1 minute ago, Spidey said:

UKIP has changed in both it's demography and political aims. It can now be regarded as an extreme right wing organisation, particularly as former National Front members have infiltrated it's executive. Similar to Labour and Momentum, who have taken Labour to the hard left.

 

The lad is a member of UKIP and was sanctioned for "multiple complaints about “offensive and inappropriate comments” in lectures and seminars." 

Extreme right wing nutter seems to fit the bill.

Just because someone who might be an extreme left wing nutter labels him an extreme right wing nutter it means no more than it would do if the accusation was reversed.

[Spidey]

15 minutes ago, nauseus said:

UCL stands for University College London, it really does. UCLan is your Lancashire school.

 

The two words in question "ranting" and "diatribe" were first used by you in this substring.

 

We don't have a transcript of the conversation so it is not known if hate speech was involved. But you prefer not to give any benefit of doubt. 

 

I originally referred to the uni by it's full name but subsequently referred to it as UCL as a convenient, clear abbreviation. You are correct in that UClan is the official abbreviation, just as UCum is the abbreviation for the university a bit further up the M6., the butt of many jokes locally.

[nausea]

I suppose common sense will prevail at the end, a thing we British are known for. This little excursion into extremist politics will be forgotten, along with the politicians that fostered it. 

[Spidey]

8 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

Just because someone who might be an extreme left wing nutter labels him an extreme right wing nutter it means no more than it would do if the accusation was reversed.

Which extreme left wing nutter are you referring to? I really don't think that @SheungWan fits the bill. As for me, I'm old Labour mate, nothing extreme about me.

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, AlexRich said:

SInce when was killing animals ever “humane”? In abbotoirs up and down the country livestock is being lined up and slaughtered on an industrial scale. 

 

Little bigot Sebastian is simply creating a “straw man” ... halal slaughtering is unacceptable to him because it is practiced by people who are unacceptable to him ... Muslims. Straight out of the Tommy Islam handbook. He cares about the animals, or the kids that get abused ... but really he doesn’t ... it’s just a convenient story that gives plausible deniability to his underlying objective ... the demonisation of Muslims. If Muslims weren’t involved in halal, he wouldn’t give a toss about it.

Slaughter according to the halal method is more likely to bring about unnecessary pain or distress to the animal. Your read on Sebastian's reason for speaking out about this is unsubstantiated and complete guesswork. Then you add in Robinson again for extra zing! Your conjecture and fantasies are typically expected, wrong and boring.

[sanemax]

26 minutes ago, Spidey said:

 

Clearly, from the statement by the university, who I would definitely believe over him, it was more than a discussion about halal meat in the refectory. "multiple complaints about “offensive and inappropriate comments” in lectures and seminars." 

 

As I've previously said, this university wouldn't suspend him for having one heated discussion in the refectory.

Until you can state what he said , I cannot come to a conclusion about whether I either disagree or agree with the Unis decision .

[Spidey]

5 minutes ago, nausea said:

I suppose common sense will prevail at the end, a thing we British are known for. This little excursion into extremist politics will be forgotten, along with the politicians that fostered it. 

Agree. And we can all be friends with and co members of our EU brothers.

[nauseus]

10 minutes ago, Spidey said:

I originally referred to the uni by it's full name but subsequently referred to it as UCL as a convenient, clear abbreviation. You are correct in that UClan is the official abbreviation, just as UCum is the abbreviation for the university a bit further up the M6., the butt of many jokes locally.

I'll Go then. Happy Hour.

[Spidey]

Just now, sanemax said:

Until you can state what he said , I cannot come to a conclusion about whether I either disagree or agree with the Unis decision .

Well why voice an opinion then?

[AlexRich]

7 minutes ago, nausea said:

I suppose common sense will prevail at the end, a thing we British are known for. This little excursion into extremist politics will be forgotten, along with the politicians that fostered it. 

I do hope you are right.

[sanemax]

17 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

SInce when was killing animals ever “humane”? In abbotoirs up and down the country livestock is being lined up and slaughtered on an industrial scale. 

 

 

Yes, but the humane way is to stun them first , the animals know nothing about it , rather than the inhumane way of letting them bleed to death , which is a slow painful distressing death