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11 hours ago, nauseus said:

He used to drop his drawers at lectures though. Not back row stuff either. 🤣

Sorry to disappoint. Sleeping in  9 O'clock lectures was my sin. "Good morning Mr Grouse; how nice of you to join us"

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2 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Brexiteer friends not exactly a plus on the social circuit then?

I wouldn't know; I've never met one.

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2 hours ago, yogi100 said:

Those were leftist rioters, the same crowd who want us to stay in Europe.

What!???

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2 hours ago, SheungWan said:

So then, leftists and Blacks cannot be Englishmen. Great example of Brexiteer IQ.

What have you got to be personal for?

 

Whether you like it or not UK blacks are referred to as Black Britons, West Indians or Africans never Black English.

 

Were you to see a black man walking down the street in any English town or city you might consider him to be a black Briton but you'd be unlikely to think of him as an Englishman. The term English refers to someone born and bred as English and is a racial description or a reference to identity rather than a reference to someones nationality.

 

You similarly hear the term British Muslims but never English Muslims because while they may be considered British they are not considered English by the press the public nor themselves.

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1 hour ago, yogi100 said:

The gap between the rich and the less well off has never been greater than it has been over the last few years while we've been in the EU.

 

Abundant cheap Eastern European labour has seen to that. 

That abundance of cheap labour has ensured bigger profits.

 

A lack of employment regulation means that businesses do not have to distribute those profits to those employees to fund pensions, sick pay and holiday pay especially when many foreign workers are employed on a casual or seasonal basis and often paid cash in hand.

 

Eastern European workers only concern themselves about the here and now and how they can live cheaply while in Britain and how much they can send back home.

 

Few of them have any long term investment in the UK nor concern about Britain's future. Many of them can't even speak English, They don't need to while we lay on interpreters for them at our expense.

 

And it's English working people who die when the bombs go off and their murderers are of the same faith of those that Merkel wants to flood the continent with. She made it plain in 2015 that the EU expects the UK to accept hundreds of thousands of them.

 

No thank you Angela, we've got too many already and what's more we're getting out of this Madhouse. Others may well follow.

And this nicely illustrates why we should not listen to Brexiters generally. They are just SO badly informed!

 

Yogi, you certainly don't seem to be smarter than the average bear!

 

I'm not going to educate you. However, look at EU inequality and Gini coefficients. Then come back and present your conclusions in time for our next tutorial. The library IS open on Sundays.

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46 minutes ago, Spidey said:

And the likes of Cameron, Gove, Boris Johnson, Rees-Mogg and Osbourne would disagree with you.

 

But, of course, your father's CV is even more important. There is zero mobility between the classes. To be considered "U" or upper class as opposed to "non U" you have to have been born "U".

Ha! Not heard U and none U in years! Great!

 

Social mobility is essential in civilized societies and this can be lubricated by progressive taxation.

 

Nothing intrinsically wrong with old fashioned ideas of correct behavior. My father always insisted on getting out the "fish eaters" if we brought home fish and chips. Not at all U,  just a quaint Edwardian vanity! He fought a long, and ultimately lost a rear guard action against loutish behavior!

 

https://www.shortlist.com/news/posh-words-upper-class-etiquette-u-non-u/60631

 

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/archived/bydesign/4954624

 

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28 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

What have you got to be personal for?

Whether you like it or not UK blacks are referred to as Black Britons, West Indians or Africans never Black English.

Were you to see a black man walking down the street in any English town or city you might consider him to be a black Briton but you'd be unlikely to think of him as an Englishman. The term English refers to someone born and bred as English and is a racial description or a reference to identity rather than a reference to someones nationality.

You similarly hear the term British Muslims but never English Muslims because while they may be considered British they are not considered English by the press the public nor themselves.

Brexiteer rubbish of a particular racist type. 

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2 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

 

I'm not coming back and presenting anything, I'll leave that to you 'uni' wallahs who live out in the sticks or in the LOS.

I live in London which is now the knife and acid attack capital of Europe and where two knife murders have taken place within a mile of where I live in the last 10 days in streets I know and where I've been shopping.

I've therefore seen what a mess mass immigration has made of the place and the sooner we quit an EU which encourages such valueless immigration the better.

So you see you couldn't 'educate' me about zilch because you know nothing and have even less experience about real life. You learn very little sitting at a computer and typing for years on end. Where do you live and when did you last have a murder practically on your doorstep, 1968?

I very much doubt that you'd talk down to people to their face so why do you do it on an internet forum.

If it was Whitechapel you could start wittering on about Jack The Ripper.

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57 minutes ago, rixalex said:

The self-described anti-Muslim bigot who describes immigrants from within the EU as being, "his kind of people"... immigrants from outside they EU, especially Africa and Asia, ", nah, not so much, count me out", bemoaning "nastiness by British morons".

 

Go and find a mirror.

No, you are quite wrong

 

I am not unpleasant to anyone (I lose patience with poorly informed Brexiters sometimes).

 

I would bias immigration to assist trade partnerships and to avoid social imbalance in our societies. My views are consistent with those aims.

 

Muslims have turned me to bigotry as I have learned more about their customs and social mores over the years. At least I can't be accused of hypocracy!

 

"his kind of people" - as you put that in quotes you imply those are my precise words? I doubt that. Kindly provide a reference or withdraw.

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34 minutes ago, Grouse said:

And this nicely illustrates why we should not listen to Brexiters generally. They are just SO badly informed!

Yogi, you certainly don't seem to be smarter than the average bear!

I'm not going to educate you. However, look at EU inequality and Gini coefficients. Then come back and present your conclusions in time for our next tutorial. The library IS open on Sundays.

Wasting your time peeing into the wind there. Some of them are not badly informed, they are rather just nasty racists of the usual extreme-right type.

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4 hours ago, SheungWan said:

The Brexiteer connections should count for something.

Or disconnections.

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3 hours ago, SheungWan said:

So then, leftists and Blacks cannot be Englishmen. Great example of Brexiteer IQ.

Twisted words.

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2 hours ago, stevenl said:

Ask that question to the poster he was reacting to, who was complaining about the EU empire and wanted the British empire back.

More twists.

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39 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

What have you got to be personal for?

 

Whether you like it or not UK blacks are referred to as Black Britons, West Indians or Africans never Black English.

 

Were you to see a black man walking down the street in any English town or city you might consider him to be a black Briton but you'd be unlikely to think of him as an Englishman. The term English refers to someone born and bred as English and is a racial description or a reference to identity rather than a reference to someones nationality.

 

You similarly hear the term British Muslims but never English Muslims because while they may be considered British they are not considered English by the press the public nor themselves.

I refer the honourable gentleman to Dennis Healy's law of holes: when in one, stop digging!

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