Being gay is not a lifestyle

[sfokevin]

1 hour ago, Puchaiyank said:

"Mike Pence, most of the Christian conservatives in the US, and other "religious" people who have been indoctrinated, and homophobes, who are very ignorant"

 

I thought there were rules governing this form of offensive rhetoric...guess not!

 

But But... What about your post #22?...

 

2 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

Talk about oversensitive and over reacting.  You might also want to add a 'safe space' forum on here where you can be protected for anything you might get offended about.

 

Thank you!  

Seems like you just want to pick a fight?...

Were used to that...

[Lacessit]

I'm completely hetero. To me, people who are gay are just part of the spectrum of humanity.

One of the myths pushed by the religious retards is gayness is a disease confined to humanity, and it can be cured.

I wish them luck when attempting to cure lions, where homosexuality is common.

[Jingthing]

The question was asked what to replace the horribly dated "lifestyle" with.

Why not keep it fairly simple?

LGBT or LGBTQ with the latter being more up to date.

Sure other letters are used sometimes but I see no need to get carried away.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT

Just gay is not inclusive enough. 

 

Cheers 

[sanemax]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The question was asked what to replace the horribly dated "lifestyle" with.

Why not keep it fairly simple?

LGBT or LGBTQ with the latter being more up to date.

Sure other letters are used sometimes but I see no need to get carried away.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT

Just gay is not inclusive enough. 

 

Cheers 

Why not just use "Not Heterosexual" ?

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Why not just use "Not Heterosexual" ?

No LGBTQ person would suggest that. 

It's not even technically accurate if you think about it (asking too much?). 

There is your answer, dude.

It is kind of "funny" (not in the ha ha sense) that these topics attract so much attention from people that are obviously not LGBTQ and often obviously openly hostile.

Can you imagine men piping in for a rename of a women's forum with obviously unhelpful suggestions? 

[sanemax]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

No LGBTQ person would suggest that. 

It's not even technically accurate if you think about it (asking too much?). 

There is your answer, dude.

It is kind of "funny" (not in the ha ha sense) that these topics attract so much attention from people that are obviously not LGBTQ and often obviously openly hostile.

Can you imagine men piping in for a rename of a women's forum with obviously unhelpful suggestions? 

Why is it not accurate though ?

Isnt that the common denominator among the LBGTQ++++ groups ?

My suggestion is all inclusive of everyone who belongs in the LBTGQ++++ category . 

If you want to be completely inclusive , add *Heterosexual" to the list .

*Non heterosexual and heterosexual*.

   This topic popped up on my forum list and that is why I am replying to it , if you would like non LBTGQ's not to participate , maybe you could request the group to be a closed group  that doesnt appear on peoples forum updates ?

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Why is it not accurate though ?

Isnt that the common denominator among the LBGTQ++++ groups ?

My suggestion is all inclusive of everyone who belongs in the LBTGQ++++ category . 

If you want to be completely inclusive , add *Heterosexual" to the list .

*Non heterosexual and heterosexual*.

   This topic popped up on my forum list and that is why I am replying to it , if you would like non LBTGQ's not to participate , maybe you could request the group to be a closed group  that doesnt appear on peoples forum updates ?

Transgender people may identify as heterosexual. Gender identity and sexual orientation are not the same thing.

Bisexual people may feel part of their identity is indeed heterosexual. 

Perhaps according to you, a Jewish forum in a Christian majority society should be called Not Christian.

Get it now?

Defining yourself by what you are not would indicate a kind of internalized self hatred imposed by a majority. 

I'll ignore the rest of your noise. 

[sanemax]

Just now, Jingthing said:

Transgender people may identify as heterosexual. Gender identity and sexual orientation are not the same thing.

Perhaps according to you, a Jewish forum in a Christian majority society should be called Not Christian.

Get it now?

Defining yourself by what you are not would indicate a kind of internalized self hatred imposed by a majority. 

I'll ignore the rest of your noise. 

Well no, a Jewish forum should be called a "Jewish forum" .

If a group of people cannot collectively decide what to call themselves , they should just keep their individual descriptive words, without a unified front .

  I do feel that people should just get on with their lives , without trying to stick a label upon themselves , wear what clothes you want and have whatever partner you want and no need to put yourself into any category

[jak2002003]

 

2 hours ago, thaicurious said:

Your saying someone else should not get offended at what you've neither the consideration or capacity to think through nor the self control about saying out loud is neither your license to be a bore nor your permission to be socially unacceptable.

Apologies, I have read this sentence several times and I can't understand it.  Can you rephrase it.  I am not being funny here. 

34 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

No LGBTQ person would suggest that. 

It's not even technically accurate if you think about it (asking too much?). 

There is your answer, dude.

It is kind of "funny" (not in the ha ha sense) that these topics attract so much attention from people that are obviously not LGBTQ and often obviously openly hostile.

Can you imagine men piping in for a rename of a women's forum with obviously unhelpful suggestions? 

'No LGBTQ person would suggest that'.  Really?  You speak for all the millions of them?  How arrogant.  

 

You also don't think anyone who is not in the LGBTQ group should have an opinion or comment on it?  Your are discriminating against straight people?  You would not like it if you were refused entry to group as you are gay would you?  

 

 

 

 

[sfokevin]

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

Why not just use "Not Heterosexual" ?

I’ve had sex with many heterosexual guys...

 

And based on this thread alone a lot of heterosexuals seem keen on perusing this forum...

[Jingthing]

3 hours ago, sanemax said:

Well no, a Jewish forum should be called a "Jewish forum" .

If a group of people cannot collectively decide what to call themselves , they should just keep their individual descriptive words, without a unified front .

  ...

Huh?
Who said people can't decide?

As I already said either LGBT or LGBTQ is the modern standard and I have little doubt that the majority of people that might identify with this subforum would be OK with that.

The lifestyle thing is obviously seriously dated, as are leisure suits.

 

Here is a publication that predates Stonewall that I have been reading since … a few years after Stonewall (they had some hot pictures in the ads -- before the internet).

 

https://www.advocate.com/

Note the description:

Quote

The Advocate is an American LGBT-interest magazine, printed bi-monthly[2] and available by subscription.

Nothing about lifestyle.

[sanemax]

2 hours ago, sfokevin said:

I’ve had sex with many heterosexual guys...

 

And based on this thread alone a lot of heterosexuals seem keen on perusing this forum...

So, lets call the group "Non heterosexuals  and also heterosexuals who have sex with non hetrosexuals in a non lifestyle stereotypical way " 

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, sanemax said:

So, lets call the group "Non heterosexuals  and also heterosexuals who have sex with non hetrosexuals in a non lifestyle stereotypical way " 

Of course you're not serious but you're confusing sex acts with identity. Not the same thing. Medical professionals use the clinical term MSM (men that have sex with men) to include all such people because not all such people IDENTIFY as gay people (or bi people, etc.). LGBTQ IDENTITY is about much much more than sex acts. 

 

[sanemax]

Just now, Jingthing said:

Of course you're not serious but you're confusing sex acts with identity. Not the same thing. Medical people use the term MSM (men that have sex with men) to include all such people because not all such people identify as gay people. 

 

Thats probably the guys who have sex on their own with no one else involved, so, cannot be classified as gay?

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Thats probably the guys who have sex on their own with no one else involved, so, cannot be classified as gay?

What are you on about now?

Masturbation?

If you're fantasizing only about same sex or getting off only on gay porn, and/or only feel emotional love attraction to same sex, you're sexual orientation is gay, whether a virgin or not. 

[onthemoon]

7 hours ago, baansgr said:

As in the OPs own words "we're actually mainstream already." why even have a separate forum?, in fact it would be better as no doubt other members are missing out on certain events and other points of interest that would normally be posted/discussed in a local forum

We are not mainstream; actually, the majority of people is straight. This does not mean that people get to tell us how to call our forum.

[onthemoon]

7 hours ago, rumak said:

people of color,  people with different sexual preferences,  overweight people,  short people,  bald people (unless your black),  thai people,  old white men people, women (so they think),  plumbers, tuk tuk drivers,

meat eaters,  CAN ANYONE tell me who isn't discriminated against ?     

everyone seems to have a cross to bear.   blaming the world for their problems.  i like to do that to, then i watch a movie where the good guy destroys 200 bad guys single-handedly.   makes me feel better 

1. If every minority is discriminated against, is there any reason not to fight against discrimination? What's your point?

 

2. If you enjoy watching people being trashed, that's your choice. I don't see any solution in that, though. The issue at hand here is how people are being treated in real life. Even if you invented a gay super-hero that trashed all the homophobes, nothing would change in the real world. In fact, it would just promote bullying, making things worse.

[onthemoon]

4 hours ago, sanemax said:

Well no, a Jewish forum should be called a "Jewish forum" .

If a group of people cannot collectively decide what to call themselves , they should just keep their individual descriptive words, without a unified front .

  I do feel that people should just get on with their lives , without trying to stick a label upon themselves , wear what clothes you want and have whatever partner you want and no need to put yourself into any category

While we are discussing what to call our forum, unfortunately you don't get to tell us. This is about our feelings, not yours. So sorry - there are many straight forums around, knock yourself out. 

[sanemax]

5 minutes ago, onthemoon said:

While we are discussing what to call our forum, unfortunately you don't get to tell us. This is about our feelings, not yours. So sorry - there are many straight forums around, knock yourself out. 

Although there are not any "straight" forums, all the other forums are for everyone , all inclusive of whaterver race , color , sexuality you may be .

   There are no forums solely for straight people .( not that I'm complaining though)

[RJRS1301]

4 hours ago, sfokevin said:

I’ve had sex with many heterosexual guys...

 

And based on this thread alone a lot of heterosexuals seem keen on perusing this forum...

You mean men who IDENTIFY as heterosexual , but may not be in sexual practice. The term is MSM.

[RJRS1301]

11 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The only people who think being gay is a choice and a lifestyle, are Mike Pence, most of the Christian conservatives in the US, and other "religious" people who have been indoctrinated, and homophobes, who are very ignorant about these issues, fearful of someone who is not like them, and are drinking the kool aid. Being gay is something people just are. And they deserve the right to be able to live their lives, just the same as the rest of us. There are millions of amazing gay people in this world. And there is nothing special about being straight. Nothing that makes us any better than gay men or lesbian women. Tolerance is a beautiful thing. Just think of all the wars that could have been avoided if mankind was more tolerant, and compassionate. 

"Tolerance??

Try ACCEPTANCE , to tolerate means "I do not really like or accept it, but will put up with it"

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, sanemax said:

Although there are not any "straight" forums, all the other forums are for everyone , all inclusive of whaterver race , color , sexuality you may be .

   There are no forums solely for straight people .( not that I'm complaining though)

You actually sound like you're complaining.

Yet again, this gay forum whatever it's called or going to be called, is open to everyone to read and post to. 

However, homophobic comments and homophobic trolling are not welcome here.

 

[thaicurious]

12 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

Talk about oversensitive and over reacting.  You might also want to add a 'safe space' forum on here where you can be protected for anything you might get offended about.

 

9 hours ago, thaicurious said:

Your saying someone else should not get offended at what you've neither the consideration or capacity to think through nor the self control about saying out loud is neither your license to be a bore nor your permission to be socially unacceptable.

 

6 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

Apologies, I have read this sentence several times and I can't understand it.  Can you rephrase it.  I am not being funny here.

Not a problem. To elucidate: you're trying to have your cake and eat it too. And just to kill a metaphor, you're chewing it with your mouth open.

 

Instead of taking responsibility to learn to better behave yourself, to not be offensive, you're putting the onus on the person you inflict your rudeness upon to grow a thicker skin so that they might accept your being rude to them. But that's not their job.

 

Rather, it is your job to learn to grow as a better person for yourself by not trying to make others feel badly, even if you think you've a valid concern for a perceived wrong which can be otherwise corrected or commented upon with instruction, with humor even, but not with barbs requiring the other person to develop some thick skin you lust for in the purpose of your perverted desire to be offending.

 

This would be true anywhere but particularly given the Thai culture of your host country. It would be like an expat living in the USofGun while violating norms of the their highly valued free speech. Try thinking you are free to mouth off at will, without concern for the other person's feelings, and the other guy might not look to grow a thicker skin but look instead just for a clear shot.

 

In a Buddhist country, highly valued is Buddha's precept of Right Speech. What is that? Googling. First entry...

 

https://www.thoughtco.com/right-speech-450072

"As recorded in the Pali Canon, the historical Buddha taught that Right Speech had four parts: Pali Canon, the historical Buddha taught that Right Speech had four parts:

 

Abstain from false speech; do not tell lies or deceive.

 

Do not slander others or speak in a way that causes disharmony or enmity.

 

Abstain from rude, impolite, or abusive language.

 

Do not indulge in idle talk or gossip.

 

Practice of these four aspects of Right Speech goes beyond simple "thou shalt nots." It means speaking truthfully and honestly; speaking in a way to promote harmony and good will; using language to reduce anger and ease tensions; using language in a way that is useful.

 

If your speech is not useful and beneficial, teachers say, it is better to keep silent."

[Scott]

14 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yes we are people unless some dogs are reading this. 

I don't know about any dogs reading it, but there are a few trolls and their posts have been removed.  

[Scott]

I have, for the time being, changed it to LGBT related topics.  

 

Feel free to continue the discussion, but it's pretty conclusive that the 'alternative lifestyle' wasn't to anyone's liking.  

[thaicurious]

4 hours ago, Scott said:

I don't know about any dogs reading it, but there are a few trolls and their posts have been removed.  

I have been known to go woof at a hot man or two. That count? To all the trolling, that can overwhelm. Jingthing had prior posted how participation has slowed. I think that's mostly due to all the troll piles. Curb your troll. You can avert your eyes only so much, click ignore so much, walk around as best you can. I used to not like that moderators would moderate; now it seems essential they do.

4 hours ago, Scott said:

I have, for the time being, changed it to LGBT related topics.   

"LGBT related topics", though? We were hoping for FABULOUS Topics! But that'll do. Thank you.

[onthemoon]

4 hours ago, Scott said:

I have, for the time being, changed it to LGBT related topics.  

 

Feel free to continue the discussion, but it's pretty conclusive that the 'alternative lifestyle' wasn't to anyone's liking.  

I like that. ???? Thanks.

[onthemoon]

10 hours ago, sanemax said:

Although there are not any "straight" forums, all the other forums are for everyone , all inclusive of whaterver race , color , sexuality you may be .

   There are no forums solely for straight people .( not that I'm complaining though)

You seem to be very attention-seeking, though.

[soalbundy]

20 hours ago, onthemoon said:

I am really annoyed by people who say we should not be offended and are overly sensitive when we tell them what we are annoyed with. How patronising is that!

 

I'm telling you how your wording makes me feel - stop telling me how I should feel (in your opinion) when you use inconsiderate wording.

 

Rant vented.

You overrate yourself, so you're offended, big deal, we all get offended about something somewhere, snowflakes abound these days. I for instance dislike the word gay, it has taken a useful word out of general use, wow, maybe I should complain.

[soalbundy]

10 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

"Tolerance??

Try ACCEPTANCE , to tolerate means "I do not really like or accept it, but will put up with it"

Tolerance sounds reasonable to me, if my son came out as homosexual I wouldn't dance around and be pleased about it, I would have to tolerate it.