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3 hours ago, BestB said:

It was not Israelis that put him at the border or forced him to be there or forced him to throw stones or molotov cocktails, just as it was Israelis who forced his parents to let him go there and was not Israelis who kept him from staying at home

He was at the border in Palestinian land and was shot by an Israeli soldier. How easy that is for you to defend.

I bet the soldier who shot him gets a medal and scratches a mark on his rifle.

Proud Israeli "peacekeeper".

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Just now, sanemax said:

The whole West Bank was under Jordanian administration prior to 1967 when they waged war against Israel , Jordan lost the war and lost the West Bank .

And when Germany lost the war, the land was given back. History 1A. Ever consider that. Because that is what civil societies do.

To make a closure to war. Your posts lack any sense of the real history, not a Jewish take to support illegal land grabs. 

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6 minutes ago, sanemax said:

The whole West Bank was under Jordanian administration prior to 1967 when they waged war against Israel , Jordan lost the war and lost the West Bank .

You have convicted your argument by your own words.

It was under Jordanian "Administration" It was Palestinian land. History 1A.

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10 minutes ago, Prissana Pescud said:

And when Germany lost the war, the land was given back. History 1A. Ever consider that. Because that is what civil societies do.

To make a closure to war. Your posts lack any sense of the real history, not a Jewish take to support illegal land grabs. 

Jordon stated that they didnt want the land back .  

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8 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Jordon stated that they didnt want the land back .  

As it was "administered land" that was not their call to make.

Israel illegally seized the land and all sanctions against Israel by the world at large have been vetoed in the UN by US.

So Palestinians feel aggrieved, Israel keeps on shooting them and peace will never be achieved until all grievances are resolved.

Israelis taking pot shots against poor Palestinian teens throwing stones is no attempt to resolve issues.

And that of course is the point.

Israel will have to give up stolen land to resolve this and lets be honest. That is not about to happen.

Meanwhile Israeli soldiers can continue to get medals for shooting unarmed teens,

and US can feel proud for making sure that peace in Middle East is never achieved.

That would probably put paid to some arms sales and as in the Saudi issue, is not about to happen. Not ever.

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11 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Yes , as it was being "administered" by Jordon , it was their land .

Basic English, 1A

No, to administer land means to take responsibility of the land until the legal owners of the land can and are able to take control 

under the defined rules of possession.

For instance, after WW1, Australia administered Papua New guinea after Germany was defeated.

Australia was obliged under League of Nations and later United Nations to create a nation capable of ruling itself.

Mixed results but Papua rules itself now. QED.

History 1A. It was never Australias land, but they built schools, educated potential politicians and so on. And gave it back.

After WW2, Germany was administered by France UK, Russia and US.

Russia failed to abide by the agreement because Russia vetoed the agreement. (which makes UN a lame organisation)

 But eventually even Russia gave all the land it had stolen back.

But not Israel. My family suffered great loss to help release Jews from camps in Europe.

But they as a race have not learned anything about humanity. To their shame and US vetoes

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6 minutes ago, Prissana Pescud said:

No, to administer land means to take responsibility of the land until the legal owners of the land can and are able to take control 

under the defined rules of possession.

For instance, after WW1, Australia administered Papua New guinea after Germany was defeated.

Australia was obliged under League of Nations and later United Nations to create a nation capable of ruling itself.

Mixed results but Papua rules itself now. QED.

History 1A. It was never Australias land, but they built schools, educated potential politicians and so on. And gave it back.

After WW2, Germany was administered by France UK, Russia and US.

Russia failed to abide by the agreement because Russia vetoed the agreement. (which makes UN a lame organisation)

 But eventually even Russia gave all the land it had stolen back.

But not Israel. My family suffered great loss to help release Jews from camps in Europe.

But they as a race have not learned anything about humanity. To their shame and US vetoes

But it was never Palestinian land to give back .

There has never been a country called Palestine .

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6 minutes ago, sanemax said:

But it was never Palestinian land to give back .

There has never been a country called Palestine .

Philistines = Palestines with a capital called Jericho that never had its walls knocked down. Archaeology 1A  

Egyptians called it Palestine. Israel and Judea were short lived kingdoms that disappeared after the Persian destruction.

Later, Sumerians and the Roman Empire called it Palestine.

It has always been called Palestine, Even by Ottoman Empire, the British administrators and so on.

For one tiny brief period it was called a Hebrew state. But because they did not pay tribute, Persia snuffed it out.

I am not going to reply to you because you are totally ignorant about the topic. Cheers.

Keep on supporting those brave soldiers, killing unarmed kids. 

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10 minutes ago, Prissana Pescud said:

Philistines = Palestines with a capital called Jericho that never had its walls knocked down. Archaeology 1A  

Egyptians called it Palestine. Israel and Judea were short lived kingdoms that disappeared after the Persian destruction.

Later, Sumerians and the Roman Empire called it Palestine.

It has always been called Palestine, Even by Ottoman Empire, the British administrators and so on.

For one tiny brief period it was called a Hebrew state. But because they did not pay tribute, Persia snuffed it out.

I am not going to reply to you because you are totally ignorant about the topic. Cheers.

Keep on supporting those brave soldiers, killing unarmed kids. 

Me truly ignorant ?

Philistines are nothing to do with Palestinians , they just sound similar .

"Philistine" actually mean "invaders" , because they came from Greece and invaded Israel .

The Philistines from 3000 years ago and no connection with todays Palestinians 

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19 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Me truly ignorant ?

Philistines are nothing to do with Palestinians , they just sound similar .

"Philistine" actually mean "invaders" , because they came from Greece and invaded Israel .

The Philistines from 3000 years ago and no connection with todays Palestinians 

sigh. Greece as a country did not fully exist yet. They were Doric and so on.

And they did not invade Israel because they were already there. And Israel as a nation did not exist but later ceased after "David"because the fable of Solomon is just that. A fable as is so much of the Jewish "bible" Most of the yarns about Job, Noah are myths from earlier Greek mythos. Read some early history and not just the Jewish indoctrination.

 And  Is Ra El speaks for itself. The people of Isis and Ra. You are Egyptian stock. lol

 

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16 minutes ago, Prissana Pescud said:

sigh. Greece as a country did not fully exist yet. They were Doric and so on.

And they did not invade Israel because they were already there. And Israel as a nation did not exist but later ceased after "David"because the fable of Solomon is just that. A fable as is so much of the Jewish "bible" Most of the yarns about Job, Noah are myths from earlier Greek mythos. Read some early history and not just the Jewish indoctrination.

 And  Is Ra El speaks for itself. The people of Isis and Ra. You are Egyptian stock. lol

 

I was talking about "Greece" in its modern day name , as I was talking about Israel it its modern day name , just for convenience sake .

 "The Philistines originated from Greece and the word Philistine actually means invaders. They occupied a part of what is now the Gaza strip. They were defeated by the Jewish Kingdom almost 3000 years ago. The fight between David and Goliath was when the tides turned against the Philistines."

 

https://www.quora.com/How-does-Philistine-and-Palestine-differ

 

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39 minutes ago, sanemax said:

I was talking about "Greece" in its modern day name , as I was talking about Israel it its modern day name , just for convenience sake .

 "The Philistines originated from Greece and the word Philistine actually means invaders. They occupied a part of what is now the Gaza strip. They were defeated by the Jewish Kingdom almost 3000 years ago. The fight between David and Goliath was when the tides turned against the Philistines."

 

https://www.quora.com/How-does-Philistine-and-Palestine-differ

 

Well you got one thing right. "David" was an historical person of no importance on histories page. He was soon dispatched by Darius,

due to no payment of tribute. And Israel and Judea disappeared because there was a split at around this time.

Israel did not exist until right wing policies in France and Britain and Jewish influence in American states

forced land holding Palestinians to be driven from their land in 1948. If you cannot accept this basic piece of history,

like your fellow Jews, there will never be peace in Middle East and Israel will always have some young protester throwing rocks - shot.

Quora is a Jewish fiddle - propaganda.

You need to read the Egyptian histories as well. As they mostly controlled this entire area, and kept meticulous records, you basis of history is very suspect

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36 minutes ago, Prissana Pescud said:

Well you got one thing right. "David" was an historical person of no importance on histories page. He was soon dispatched by Darius,

due to no payment of tribute. And Israel and Judea disappeared because there was a split at around this time.

Israel did not exist until right wing policies in France and Britain and Jewish influence in American states

forced land holding Palestinians to be driven from their land in 1948. If you cannot accept this basic piece of history,

like your fellow Jews, there will never be peace in Middle East and Israel will always have some young protester throwing rocks - shot.

Quora is a Jewish fiddle - propaganda.

You need to read the Egyptian histories as well. As they mostly controlled this entire area, and kept meticulous records, you basis of history is very suspect

Jews have been living on the land continuously for 2500 years , Palestinians who did not accept the Israeli state , moved to Gaza .

   The Palestinians  who accepted the Israeli state , stayed and are now Israeli citizens living happily and content in Israel .

  Israel came into being due to a vote at the U.N , who also voted for a Palestinian state.

Jews accepted this and some Palestinians rejected this offer of statehood

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2 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Jews have been living on the land continuously for 2500 years , Palestinians who did not accept the Israeli state , moved to Gaza .

   The Palestinians  who accepted the Israeli state , stayed and are now Israeli citizens living happily and content in Israel .

  Israel came into being due to a vote at the U.N , who also voted for a Palestinian state.

Jews accepted this and some Palestinians rejected this offer of statehood

You still dogging me. Never mind. Palestinians have been living on the land for a lot longer than Jews. The Jews came from Egypt.

The Jewish name for Israel is Egyptian 

That is mostly not worth talking about except in historical context. If you do not accept that Palestinians were forced from their land 

when the state of Israel was declared in 1949 are deluded. And still the land stealing occurs.

And UN declarations (about 150 resolutions) are vetoed by US. So just who is running US.

Against a murderous regime who loves to shoot to kill wronged youths because they throw stones inside their own territory.

 You cannot defend murder, you cannot defend oppression. And stop dogging me now. ok. go away. And walk in someone elses shoes.

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3 minutes ago, Prissana Pescud said:

You still dogging me. Never mind. Palestinians have been living on the land for a lot longer than Jews. The Jews came from Egypt.

The Jewish name for Israel is Egyptian 

That is mostly not worth talking about except in historical context. If you do not accept that Palestinians were forced from their land 

when the state of Israel was declared in 1949 are deluded. And still the land stealing occurs.

And UN declarations (about 150 resolutions) are vetoed by US. So just who is running US.

Against a murderous regime who loves to shoot to kill wronged youths because they throw stones inside their own territory.

 You cannot defend murder, you cannot defend oppression. And stop dogging me now. ok. go away. And walk in someone elses shoes.

I can defend what I like and you have no right to tell me what I can or cannot do .

   

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There is a fine point to ponder and ask why before the 167 war, neither the Egyptians who ruled the Gaza, nor the Jordanians who ruled the westbank and Jerusalem or the british mandate forces at that times never gave the so called 'Palestinians' their own land to govern and create 'Palestine'... why? why only after the 1967 war the PLO came to be headed by an egyptian born Yasser Arafat, why before 1967 war Gazanias were egyptians nationals and the people in the west bank were Jordanians nationals, and as by miracle on the the 5th of June 1967 they all of a sudden become Palestinians and a burden on Isreal for decades to come...

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3 hours ago, ezzra said:

There is a fine point to ponder and ask why before the 167 war, neither the Egyptians who ruled the Gaza, nor the Jordanians who ruled the westbank and Jerusalem or the british mandate forces at that times never gave the so called 'Palestinians' their own land to govern and create 'Palestine'... why? why only after the 1967 war the PLO came to be headed by an egyptian born Yasser Arafat, why before 1967 war Gazanias were egyptians nationals and the people in the west bank were Jordanians nationals, and as by miracle on the the 5th of June 1967 they all of a sudden become Palestinians and a burden on Isreal for decades to come...

revision required. The UN partition plan provided land for the Arabs, but was rejected and the Arabs went to war to try and remove the Jews.

 

UN-Partition-Plan.jpg

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3 hours ago, Prissana Pescud said:

You still dogging me. Never mind. Palestinians have been living on the land for a lot longer than Jews. The Jews came from Egypt.

The Jewish name for Israel is Egyptian 

That is mostly not worth talking about except in historical context. If you do not accept that Palestinians were forced from their land 

when the state of Israel was declared in 1949 are deluded. And still the land stealing occurs.

And UN declarations (about 150 resolutions) are vetoed by US. So just who is running US.

Against a murderous regime who loves to shoot to kill wronged youths because they throw stones inside their own territory.

 You cannot defend murder, you cannot defend oppression. And stop dogging me now. ok. go away. And walk in someone elses shoes.

Jews came from egypt? Where do you  learn your history?

 

he is not defending murder but self defence and survival

 

oppression? Take it up with Arab brothers over in Egypt who also maintain tight blockade or Arab brothers in Jordan who simply massacre them should they revolt.

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On 2/24/2019 at 1:38 PM, dexterm said:

>>Their ancestors gambled on the losing side of a war. Sorry, but that's the way it goes. 

 

...Sorry, but that's not the way it goes. That may have been OK for Attila the Hun, but this is the 21st Century where we have the rule of international law. Refugees have the right under the Geneva Convention to return to their homes.

 

70% of the entire Gazan Palestinian population were either born in what is now Israel or their parents or grandparents were, and have been ethnically cleansed by mainly European colonizers. Their homes are just across the fence. 

 

It is a war crime to fire live ammunition at refugees to prevent them returning to their homes.

The only reason they are being prevented from returning is pure racism.

The last sentence is quite telling.  Using words like “only” and “pure” seem to indicate a black and white version of the Israeli/Palestinian situation.  I believe you to be much more intelligent than that.  So how did you come to these conclusions?  Perhaps something in your personal history??

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