Wildfires rage across Britain after hottest winter day on record

[webfact]

Wildfires rage across Britain after hottest winter day on record

By Jon Super

 

A fire is seen burning on Saddleworth Moor near the town of Diggle, Britain, February 27, 2019. REUTERS/Jon Super

 

DIGGLE, England (Reuters) - Firefighters battled a series of wildfires in Britain on Wednesday, including a large moorland blaze outside the northern English city of Manchester, as the country experienced its warmest winter weather on record.

 

A fire started on Tuesday evening on Saddleworth Moor, an expanse of hills that is popular with hikers. It has since spread to an area about one-and-a-half square kilometres.

 

Large flames could be seen rising from the hillside as witnesses described "apocalyptic" scenes.

 

Laura Boocock, West Yorkshire Fire Service's incident commander, told the BBC it was "one of the biggest moorland fires we've ever had to deal with".

 

Five crews and two specialist moorland firefighting units were trying to contain the blaze. There have been no reports of any injuries.

 

The fire comes after Britain recorded its warmest winter day with a temperature of 21.2 Celsius in Kew Gardens in London.

 

Fire officials have not yet commented on what may have caused the blaze.

 

Last summer a fire on Saddleworth Moor, which required army assistance to tackle, took more than three weeks to extinguish.

 

Separately, on Tuesday a wildfire started in woodland made famous in AA Milne’s Winnie the Pooh stories.Ashdown Forest in East Sussex, the inspiration for Milne’s Hundred Acre Wood, suffered two fires that began within an hour of each other.The local fire service said that "unusual warm weather this week" meant that the ground was drier than usual and could lead to a greater risk of outdoor fires.

 

In Scotland, firefighters battled through the night to extinguish a large gorse fire on Arthur's Seat in Edinburgh.

 

(Writing by Andrew MacAskill; Editing by Andrew Heavens)

 

 -- © Copyright Reuters 2019-02-27

[Liverpudlian]

A couple of kilometers across a moor is called raging across Britain  mmmmmm.

[RickBradford]

In all such cases, apply the Golden Rule of Climate Activism:

 

Weather is not climate when it's cold. Weather is climate when it's hot.

 

Job done.

 

 

[WeekendRaider]

32 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

In all such cases, apply the Golden Rule of Climate Activism:

 

Weather is not climate when it's cold. Weather is climate when it's hot.

 

Job done.

 

 

that Co2 is a green house gas is 200 year old simple physics.  it is not a theory.  everything we find in the geophysical history of the Earth also provides evidence.  and on a third level, contemporary observations that we don't even need to use statistical analysis anymore to make predictions with.  any one of these 3 broad areas offers more than enough evidence to make any denial of 'Climate' 100% political nonsense talk.

for 40 years or more, anyone who took or takes an at all serious look at a carbon budget for themselves realizes that the biggest sore thumb sticking out is "aviation".  which is tourism.  and that person either becomes a fake Climate Believer that only talks about "Ice Melting in 2100 Something"... instead of food security and other threats we will face well before 2100... or becomes a fake Climate Denier and rants like a girlie man. a man of emotions and "feelings".... who rants "No Fear!" and "Plant Food!" when in fact anyone who is more like a, say, Hal Moore Jr. type, has done the science and knows that this is a genuine threat.          

a recent example is Paul Volcker being interviewed on Youtube by Ray Dalio the hedge fund guy, about 4/5 of the way thru the interview you will hear Volcker say "we have killed our younger generation".   Paul Volcker.   want more of those?

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, RickBradford said:

In all such cases, apply the Golden Rule of Climate Activism:

Weather is not climate when it's cold. Weather is climate when it's hot.

Job done.

Just after Xmas they were predicting the coldest winter in the UK for 50 years.

Wrong again.

[nauseus]

32 minutes ago, WeekendRaider said:

that Co2 is a green house gas is 200 year old simple physics.  it is not a theory.  everything we find in the geophysical history of the Earth also provides evidence.  and on a third level, contemporary observations that we don't even need to use statistical analysis anymore to make predictions with.  any one of these 3 broad areas offers more than enough evidence to make any denial of 'Climate' 100% political nonsense talk.

for 40 years or more, anyone who took or takes an at all serious look at a carbon budget for themselves realizes that the biggest sore thumb sticking out is "aviation".  which is tourism.  and that person either becomes a fake Climate Believer that only talks about "Ice Melting in 2100 Something"... instead of food security and other threats we will face well before 2100... or becomes a fake Climate Denier and rants like a girlie man. a man of emotions and "feelings".... who rants "No Fear!" and "Plant Food!" when in fact anyone who is more like a, say, Hal Moore Jr. type, has done the science and knows that this is a genuine threat.          

a recent example is Paul Volcker being interviewed on Youtube by Ray Dalio the hedge fund guy, about 4/5 of the way thru the interview you will hear Volcker say "we have killed our younger generation".   Paul Volcker.   want more of those?

What a completely confusing collection of cobblers. 

[overherebc]

35 minutes ago, WeekendRaider said:

that Co2 is a green house gas is 200 year old simple physics.  it is not a theory.  everything we find in the geophysical history of the Earth also provides evidence.  and on a third level, contemporary observations that we don't even need to use statistical analysis anymore to make predictions with.  any one of these 3 broad areas offers more than enough evidence to make any denial of 'Climate' 100% political nonsense talk.

for 40 years or more, anyone who took or takes an at all serious look at a carbon budget for themselves realizes that the biggest sore thumb sticking out is "aviation".  which is tourism.  and that person either becomes a fake Climate Believer that only talks about "Ice Melting in 2100 Something"... instead of food security and other threats we will face well before 2100... or becomes a fake Climate Denier and rants like a girlie man. a man of emotions and "feelings".... who rants "No Fear!" and "Plant Food!" when in fact anyone who is more like a, say, Hal Moore Jr. type, has done the science and knows that this is a genuine threat.          

a recent example is Paul Volcker being interviewed on Youtube by Ray Dalio the hedge fund guy, about 4/5 of the way thru the interview you will hear Volcker say "we have killed our younger generation".   Paul Volcker.   want more of those?

Any idea if any of the names you mention started these fires?

PS.

The next mini ice-age will start on Feb 2nd 2024, unless yellowstone park blows it's top around the same time.

[pkspeaker]

..and any year when there is less ice every MSM will report that scientists are 'alarmed' but when there is more ice it is ignored..

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/02/24/strong-arctic-sea-ice-growth-this-year/ 

[metisdead]

A nonsensical grammar police post has been removed. 

 

A post commenting on moderation has been removed. 

 

Another troll post commenting on moderation has been removed.  

[charmonman]

13 hours ago, RickBradford said:

In all such cases, apply the Golden Rule of Climate Activism:

 

Weather is not climate when it's cold. Weather is climate when it's hot.

 

Job done.

 

 

Sounds like the golden rule of climate change denial:

 

Weather is not climate when it's warm. Weather is climate when it's cold.

 

Just have a look at Trump's twitter feed or video clips of idiotic Republican senators holding snowballs in the middle of a winter in Washington D.C.

 

It's good that you recognize the difference between long term trends in average global temperatures, and specific weather events occurring in a particular location and time. Most climate change deniers do not, in my experience.

[RickBradford]

^^^

A nonsensical post containing, as it does, the meaningless buzzword phrase "climate change denier".

[sammieuk1]

Its just the pre Brexit bonfire out of control in true fashion as with the country as a whole????

[Ulic]

1,5 square kilometer forest fire would only make local news in Canada unless it threatened a community. it is tiny, they would have it under control and out in no time unless the wind was a factor. Of course, then it wouldn't be 1.5 square kilometers for long. 

[WeekendRaider]

23 hours ago, nauseus said:

What a completely confusing collection of cobblers. 

6,400 million of us have never been in an airplane even once in their life..... yet.  airplanes emit 285 grams of carbon per passenger kilometer traveled and are typically taken for thousands of miles on a single trip.  most of those trips are not even essential.  since everything we do involves carbon emissions, air travel always pops to the top of the list of "stuff" to do".  your poetry is very beautiful.... want to read something even more cobbled?????  try the ICAO's explanation of CORSIA offsets that they will begin imposing on all international air travel fares.  what we agreed to at COP24? on all international air fares beginning in 2027.  I know, that isn't the usual kind of stupid crap you normally hear.... and it is b.s. because it is what it is.  grams as a GHG.  that we measre in parts per million because it is so powerful.     

[connda]

On 2/27/2019 at 3:24 PM, webfact said:

It has since spread to an area about one-and-a-half square kilometres.

You gotta be kidding me.  We have fires like that burning right now in the national forests surrounding the house.  Fires like that are the norm in Northern Thailand this time of year as everyone can attest simply by checking out the air quality.  I don't see our 'wildfires' (which are arson fires set to burn the forest to stimulate mushroom growth) in the national news.  Just took this picture outside the front door.  The whole valley is like this.

[connda]

Want to control man-made climate change?  Stop having kids. 

 

[nauseus]

54 minutes ago, WeekendRaider said:

6,400 million of us have never been in an airplane even once in their life..... yet.  airplanes emit 285 grams of carbon per passenger kilometer traveled and are typically taken for thousands of miles on a single trip.  most of those trips are not even essential.  since everything we do involves carbon emissions, air travel always pops to the top of the list of "stuff" to do".  your poetry is very beautiful.... want to read something even more cobbled?????  try the ICAO's explanation of CORSIA offsets that they will begin imposing on all international air travel fares.  what we agreed to at COP24? on all international air fares beginning in 2027.  I know, that isn't the usual kind of stupid crap you normally hear.... and it is b.s. because it is what it is.  grams as a GHG.  that we measre in parts per million because it is so powerful.     

I am not denying that climate change exists, in fact the climate has been changing all the way through the Earth's history. But bear in mind that CO₂ is not the only suspect and also that aviation only accounts for a maximum of 2.5% of all the CO_{2 emissions. So to cut emissions, it may be better to tackle all of the primary drivers of all GHG emissions as a priority, no?}   

[nauseus]

55 minutes ago, connda said:

Want to control man-made climate change?  Stop having kids. 

 

Well some have already but it's an unbalanced effort right now.

[Prissana Pescud]

Climate change is phony news. Got it. Say again repeatedly.

After 2 hours of this mantra,

stick head in the ground.

[SheungWan]

10 minutes ago, Prissana Pescud said:

Climate change is phony news. Got it. Say again repeatedly.

After 2 hours of this mantra,

stick head in the ground.

All the loons here then.

[Prissana Pescud]

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

I am not denying that climate change exists, in fact the climate has been changing all the way through the Earth's history. But bear in mind that CO₂ is not the only suspect and also that aviation only accounts for a maximum of 2.5% of all the CO_{2 emissions. So to cut emissions, it may be better to tackle all of the primary drivers of all GHG emissions as a priority, no?}   

You got it summed up well. The Greens Party flits around all over the country in airplanes and then lectures everyone

on ideas that are incredulous to say the least.

Practical and sustainable is not in their vocabulary. 

At the same time, some simple actions from all persons and government can bring positive results.

 Plant trees, adopt sustainable practices, try to use alternate energy, walk or use a bike for short trips, and so on.

Too easy to go into much. Just start with little things 

[Prissana Pescud]

Just now, SheungWan said:

All the loons here then.

You are the only one on this post. Keep it up, I enjoy a good laugh at your expense

[nauseus]

9 hours ago, SheungWan said:

All the loons here then.

That's all we need - more pollution!

[overherebc]

16 hours ago, Ulic said:

1,5 square kilometer forest fire would only make local news in Canada unless it threatened a community. it is tiny, they would have it under control and out in no time unless the wind was a factor. Of course, then it wouldn't be 1.5 square kilometers for long. 

Biggest problem is that those kind of fires can smolder under the surface for a very long time and erupt again without warning sometimes well away from the original fire.

[Cryingdick]

4 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Biggest problem is that those kind of fires can smolder under the surface for a very long time and erupt again without warning sometimes well away from the original fire.

 

That is not the biggest problem and basically no danger. Trees can continue to burn through the root system underground but it isn't a big threat. Once the fire is contained it isn't going to spread from the roots underground.

 

If you mean the embers well, firefighters tend to come in and rake those out. Imagine that. But this is a tiny fire it is easily contained when it isn't in the canopy.

[Chomper Higgot]

15 hours ago, nauseus said:

I am not denying that climate change exists, in fact the climate has been changing all the way through the Earth's history. But bear in mind that CO₂ is not the only suspect and also that aviation only accounts for a maximum of 2.5% of all the CO_{2 emissions. So to cut emissions, it may be better to tackle all of the primary drivers of all GHG emissions as a priority, no?}   

Environmentalists advocate tackling all man made sources of all GHG.

 

Or have you missed that?

[overherebc]

24 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

That is not the biggest problem and basically no danger. Trees can continue to burn through the root system underground but it isn't a big threat. Once the fire is contained it isn't going to spread from the roots underground.

 

If you mean the embers well, firefighters tend to come in and rake those out. Imagine that. But this is a tiny fire it is easily contained when it isn't in the canopy.

This is a 'moor' fire not a forest fire. The whole area is moss and peat. The 'trees' are few and far between. Moss and peat can be many feet thick and if after a very hot spell it gets dry a couple of feet down it can burn for a long time.

That's why when the fire appears to be out they spend a lot of time using drones with IR sensors looking for hotspots.

Edit.

Let's play 'spot the trees'

[overherebc]

46 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

That is not the biggest problem and basically no danger. Trees can continue to burn through the root system underground but it isn't a big threat. Once the fire is contained it isn't going to spread from the roots underground.

 

If you mean the embers well, firefighters tend to come in and rake those out. Imagine that. But this is a tiny fire it is easily contained when it isn't in the canopy.

Before you go ha-ha again check the attached showing layers in a moorland in UK.

Every single layer is combustable and that's why it was used as fuel for heating, cooking and is still used in the drying of barley in whisky making.

All the layers are vegetation, very little soil in it.

[Basil B]

Well it has been nice wearing short sleeved shirts for outside work in February with temperatures topping 20c but there was a price to pay with clear sky's at night meant I was scrapping the ice off the windscreen in the morning.

 

It did not last, it was back to normal yesterday, temperatures a lot lower with drizzle and rain.

[overherebc]

20 minutes ago, Basil B said:

Well it has been nice wearing short sleeved shirts for outside work in February with temperatures topping 20c but there was a price to pay with clear sky's at night meant I was scrapping the ice off the windscreen in the morning.

 

It did not last, it was back to normal yesterday, temperatures a lot lower with drizzle and rain.

Thank you. NOT. ????????????

Heading to UK v soon for the reality check and so looking forward to icy windscreens and no bum guns in the toilets. Costs a fortune for wet bum wipes.

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