balo Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Very strange , somehow I think there is more to this story. Deportation only because of 1 e-cigarette? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 minute ago, balo said: Very strange , somehow I think there is more to this story. Deportation only because of 1 e-cigarette? Deportation only because of exposing extortion ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, 473geo said: Got to say I am staggered by the volume of but 'other people do it too' responses!! Good luck with that line as your defence if you ever cross the law in any country!! Try in a civilised country: "But 'other people pay bribes too". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, oldhippy said: Try in a civilised country: "But 'other people pay bribes too". Wouldn't try it anywhere, other peoples similar actions are no defence for your action of breaking the law - period Most of us left that attempt at a get out in kidergarten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 this will hurt tourism's hip pocket... she won't be the first, nor the last hitting the vapour trails back to home... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, oldhippy said: Deportation only because of exposing extortion ? or because she miscalculated and ended up on overstay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrules Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 2 hours ago, pellets said: SHE was jailed... No she wasn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHolmesJr Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 The French woman may have asked for it.....of course I want there to confirm it, but they get mighty uppity with the rest of the world when they think their liberte egalite fraternite are under threat. That's asking for trouble when dealing with a thai copper, wen grovelling and saying sorry is the only sane response. I was once on a bicycle using a pedestrian crossing....as I crossed over to the pavement on the other side real slow, this French woman refused to get out of the way. Arguing, raising her voice, saying this is not a path for you etc etc. She left me no choice....I said %$#^ off madame and peddled away leaving her startled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 On 2/27/2019 at 5:59 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said: I've always maintained... smoking can be dangerous to your health and welfare.... especially in Thailand! It was vaping! However I appreciate you don't know the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkg Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 3 hours ago, jgarbo said: Vaping is not yet legal. Should they give her croissant? Or wait till it explodes in her face? If the croissant has not yet exploded, the authorities should be called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chang1 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 On 2/27/2019 at 11:28 AM, TallGuyJohninBKK said: Hate to say this, but it's the bitter truth... She would have been better off, financially and otherwise, if she had just paid the original alleged 40K bribe request.... Presumably, no court visit, no multi day stay in IDC, no deportation on her record, and probably no substantial extra travel expenses home, as presumably she could have kept her original return flight arrangements. Not saying it's right. It isn't. Just saying, look at the result of her choice of standing up for herself. And what will that kind of attitude end us all up with - police demanding large sums of money (like 40000 Baht) for minor infringements (like using an E-cig). This sort of corruption only survives when weak people allow it by caving in to it. Same as paying ransoms to kidnappers - if no payments were ever made then kidnapping would be pointless and soon not be a problem (if for money). Those police will now be more careful but know there are many more weaklings to scam. She absolutely did the right thing as she was in the wrong. The massive problem she had was the absurd deportation. This is the bit I would not have even considered when dealing with the police at the roadside. Missing her flight was bad enough. Of course you are absolutely right she would have been far better off but it would be interesting to know how it would have turned out if the police had just done their job properly because they knew there was no point asking for a bribe as no-one would pay it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 15 minutes ago, chang1 said: And what will that kind of attitude end us all up with How about working harder to stay on the right side of the law ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, 473geo said: How about working harder to stay on the right side of the law ???? ...and therefore not paying bribes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, oldhippy said: ...and therefore not paying bribes.... While accepting there are services that require payment by negotiation ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrules Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Which judge ordered this woman be deported? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 3 hours ago, 473geo said: Wouldn't try it anywhere, other peoples similar actions are no defence for your action of breaking the law - period Most of us left that attempt at a get out in kidergarten She was wrong to carry or use a vaporizer - I fully agree. But I don't quite understand your reply. What should she have done after being caught with that vaporizer? Pay the 40.000 bribery money and thereby committing a far more serious offence? Put yourself in her place. Would you not think 40.000 is over the top for a vaporizer? Would you not think that things could be sorted out? The judge sorted it out..... 827 baht. As a tourist she most probably had no idea of how the mafia operates here or the Thai obsession with face saving. Maybe she had not yet lost her rozy glasses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 minute ago, oldhippy said: She was wrong to carry or use a vaporizer - I fully agree. But I don't quite understand your reply. What should she have done after being caught with that vaporizer? Pay the 40.000 bribery money and thereby committing a far more serious offence? Put yourself in her place. Would you not think 40.000 is over the top for a vaporizer? Would you not think that things could be sorted out? The judge sorted it out..... 827 baht. As a tourist she most probably had no idea of how the mafia operates here or the Thai obsession with face saving. Maybe she had not yet lost her rozy glasses? I got stopped by the UK police 1 am in the morning I nipped down an unlit side street on my walk back from a party and had a pee - cost me two weeks salary - expensive pee!! it used to cost a penny when public WC were provided. No point in complaining I put myself in the frame and got done!! No point in crying about it. I wish they had offered me a deal, on my CV until spent, as a conviction, having a Pee in a public place!! I wonder if it is the same for the French girl regarding a conviction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chang1 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 51 minutes ago, oldhippy said: 55 minutes ago, 473geo said: How about working harder to stay on the right side of the law ???? ...and therefore not paying bribes First point - she was on holiday and quite possibly would not have thought vaping is illegal. Most Brits I have told about this law do not know. She may have even bought it in Thailand where they are sold openly. Second point - you don't even have to have broken a law to have a payment demanded, although I have never experienced this myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, 473geo said: I got stopped by the UK police 1 am in the morning I nipped down an unlit side street on my walk back from a party and had a pee - cost me two weeks salary - expensive pee!! it used to cost a penny when public WC were provided. No point in complaining I put myself in the frame and got done!! No point in crying about it. I wish they had offered me a deal, on my CV until spent, as a conviction, having a Pee in a public place!! I wonder if it is the same for the French girl regarding a conviction? And the moral of your story is ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 minute ago, chang1 said: First point - she was on holiday and quite possibly would not have thought vaping is illegal. Most Brits I have told about this law do not know. She may have even bought it in Thailand where they are sold openly. Second point - you don't even have to have broken a law to have a payment demanded, although I have never experienced this myself. Hearsay can be dangerous, in our conversation, you and I, 100% of the people involved have never had a payment demanded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, oldhippy said: And the moral of your story is ???? Learn by your mistakes and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lkv Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 30 minutes ago, oldhippy said: And the moral of your story is ???? The moral of his story is, he can now freely pee on the street in Thailand with no stress. ???? As long as he does not vape, it's all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chang1 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, 473geo said: Hearsay can be dangerous, in our conversation, you and I, 100% of the people involved have never had a payment demanded. Not as dangerous as letting your guard down and ignoring the countless reports of it happening to others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 minute ago, chang1 said: Not as dangerous as letting your guard down and ignoring the countless reports of it happening to others. You speak as though negotiation is something to fear - at times a mutual agreement can be the best way forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwikeith Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 On 2/27/2019 at 11:21 PM, darksidedog said: And yet there are still vendors of them in markets all across the country. I understand that the law is the law, but this seems ridiculously excessive. Paying a nominal fine to the court, should have been the end of the matter, the deportation being to my mind unnecessary and over the top. I am pretty sure that will be another large number of potential tourists now going somewhere else instead. Amazing work Thailand! Shot yourself in the foot again. This is a clear case of an extortion attempt gone wrong. There should be an official complaint to the victims embassy and to the minister of police. I see falangs vaping all over the place and at my local golf club where they sit around the pool and happily vape away. Staff don't care, it is also illegal to smoke in bars etc, now but do I see my friends sitting next to me stop, as I do not smoke, NO, they don't and Thai's and visitors to LOS smoke away at will, just as the Thais and Falangs ride bikes around with no helmets on, 2/3 children without protection often riding in the wrong direction, smoking and talking on a cell phone. This deportation is lost face over a bribe gone wrong and seemingly went right to the courtroom Shame on the perps of justice you make a joke of Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 hour ago, 473geo said: Hearsay can be dangerous, in our conversation, you and I, 100% of the people involved have never had a payment demanded. You were never "asked" for a bribe? Did you ever visit Thailand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 minute ago, oldhippy said: You were never "asked" for a bribe? Did you ever visit Thailand? I've stayed with the police in Thailand ???? as an invited guest not for breaking the law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, 473geo said: I've stayed with the police in Thailand ???? as an invited guest not for breaking the law ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamyai3 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 7 hours ago, pellets said: Yes, vaping should absolutely be an important part of a "family hliday"... (or not...?) How about extortion, incarceration for several days in a filthy cell on a hard floor, and very expensive deportation... get some perspective! Vaping is recognised in pretty much every civilised country as a much healthier alternative to cigarettes (which she wouldn't have been fined for). And smoking on a family holiday? I have many happy memories of family holidays when I was young, and I don't begrudge the fact that my father enjoyed a few cigars on them. Certainly didn't influence me to start smoking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamyai3 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 hour ago, 473geo said: I got stopped by the UK police 1 am in the morning I nipped down an unlit side street on my walk back from a party and had a pee - cost me two weeks salary - expensive pee!! it used to cost a penny when public WC were provided. No point in complaining I put myself in the frame and got done!! No point in crying about it. I wish they had offered me a deal, on my CV until spent, as a conviction, having a Pee in a public place!! I wonder if it is the same for the French girl regarding a conviction? I doubt you'd have wished for the "deal" they offered the French woman - it was a lot more than two weeks wages. It was about three months average salary in Thailand, for something that isn't even an offence in any other tourist destination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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