usviphotography Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 hour ago, heybruce said: Since when was it acceptable to lie about this blatant conflict of interest while campaigning? Trump is a real estate developer. It was his business, not a "conflict of interest". And while there absolutely no evidence that Trump lied about anything, he is under obligation to tell the truth to the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, usviphotography said: Trump is a real estate developer. It was his business, not a "conflict of interest". And while there absolutely no evidence that Trump lied about anything, he is under obligation to tell the truth to the media. While campaigning he said he had no business interests in Russia when he had Cohen actively seeking a real estate deal in Russia. That is both a lie and a blatant conflict of interest, especially since he made it clear during his campaign that he wanted the US to be friends with Russia. Trump has also bragged about the money he's made selling property to wealthy Russians with Kremlin connections. That's acceptable for a private real estate developer, but an obvious conflict of interest for a politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usviphotography Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, heybruce said: While campaigning he said he had no business interests in Russia when he had Cohen actively seeking a real estate deal in Russia. That is both a lie and a blatant conflict of interest, especially since he made it clear during his campaign that he wanted the US to be friends with Russia. Trump has also bragged about the money he's made selling property to wealthy Russians with Kremlin connections. That's acceptable for a private real estate developer, but an obvious conflict of interest for a politician. Trump has wanted to build something in Europe's largest city since the 1980's and has been quite up front about that. He's also been quite up front about the fact it is a hard market to break in to and he's never seen a deal that made any sense to him. This project Cohen was pushing seems to fit that latter category as it never really got anywhere near becoming a reality. So Trump didn't lie. He had no current business interests in Russia and no prospective deals that were anywhere close to ever becoming an actual interest either. Selling New York condos to Russians is not "having a business interest in Russia" and in any event Trump has written about selling condos to Russians and Saudis in his own books so that can't be construed as a secret anyway. And it is utter nonsense to suggest that a politician can't run a business while campaigning for office. There have been loads of businessmen that have run for office before, and none of you ever made a big deal about it before. Indeed, Trump had active (not speculative) ongoing businesses in the UK at the time he ran for President and I don't see you complaining about that, which demonstrates the hypocrisy of this whole Russian Hoax nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 51 minutes ago, heybruce said: While campaigning he said he had no business interests in Russia when he had Cohen actively seeking a real estate deal in Russia. That is both a lie and a blatant conflict of interest, especially since he made it clear during his campaign that he wanted the US to be friends with Russia. Trump has also bragged about the money he's made selling property to wealthy Russians with Kremlin connections. That's acceptable for a private real estate developer, but an obvious conflict of interest for a politician. "That's acceptable for a private real estate developer, but an obvious conflict of interest for a politician". Nonsense! What dem or news reporter says that opinion? There’s no law barring a candidate who doesn’t already hold office from continuing to do business during a campaign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 41 minutes ago, usviphotography said: Trump has wanted to build something in Europe's largest city since the 1980's and has been quite up front about that. He's also been quite up front about the fact it is a hard market to break in to and he's never seen a deal that made any sense to him. This project Cohen was pushing seems to fit that latter category as it never really got anywhere near becoming a reality. So Trump didn't lie. He had no current business interests in Russia and no prospective deals that were anywhere close to ever becoming an actual interest either. Selling New York condos to Russians is not "having a business interest in Russia" and in any event Trump has written about selling condos to Russians and Saudis in his own books so that can't be construed as a secret anyway. And it is utter nonsense to suggest that a politician can't run a business while campaigning for office. There have been loads of businessmen that have run for office before, and none of you ever made a big deal about it before. Indeed, Trump had active (not speculative) ongoing businesses in the UK at the time he ran for President and I don't see you complaining about that, which demonstrates the hypocrisy of this whole Russian Hoax nonsense. " He has partnered with Russian financiers on major projects elsewhere around the world. Russian investors have been instrumental in helping him cope with all the credit problems he has thanks to his serial bankruptcies. And a number of Trump’s former and current advisers have had financial ties to Russia. " https://www.vox.com/world/2017/2/17/14622504/trump-russia-business-ties-fact-check Trump has been trying to do business with Russia for 30 years. He was clearly interested in Russia, and pursuing interests in Russia, while claiming he had no business deals with Russia. Trump made it very clear that he wanted be "friends" with Russia. He clearly objected to further sanctions on Russia, and is happy to let Russia keep the parts of Ukraine it has illegally seized. He made it clear during the campaign and while in office that he wants to allow Russia to dominate its neighbors and he is happy to weaken the NATO alliance. And he has publicly stated that he takes Putin's word on Russian election interference of over the assessments of his intelligence agencies. In short, he is doing Putin's bidding as much as possible while he was trying, and still may be trying, to profit from his relationships with Russians. If that's not a conflict of interest, what is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 24 minutes ago, riclag said: "That's acceptable for a private real estate developer, but an obvious conflict of interest for a politician". What dem or news reporter says that opinion? There’s no law barring a candidate who doesn’t already hold office from continuing to do business during a campaign Yes, and there's no law barring a candidate from lying about his dealings with a hostile foreign power while campaigning. However intelligent, patriotic voters won't support such a candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 3 hours ago, heybruce said: Yes, and there's no law barring a candidate from lying about his dealings with a hostile foreign power while campaigning. However intelligent, patriotic voters won't support such a candidate. There’s no law barring a candidate who doesn’t already hold office from continuing to do business during a campaign It isn't illegal or criminal for private citizens to do business with Russians https://money.cnn.com/2017/07/06/news/economy/us-russia-trump-putin-business-trade/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 11 hours ago, heybruce said: No evidence? How about the fact that all US intelligence agencies agreed that Russia had interfered with the 2016 election and Trump, the beneficiary of this interference, had fired the head of the FBI for investigating this interference. Trumpies really do live in an alternative reality. Um, "no evidence" applies to Trump COLLUSION with the Russians to sway the election. That is what the investigation is about. Of course the Russians ( and the Chinese, North Koreans, ? South Koreans, etc ) and several other countries with internet capability attempted to interfere with the US election. it's what countries do. The US has a habit of interfering with other countries political system- Cuba, Chile, etc. To believe that only the Russians interfere with other countries elections is to live in an alternate reality. I remember when Comey was sacked, and I think it was for more than investigating anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 2 hours ago, heybruce said: While campaigning he said he had no business interests in Russia when he had Cohen actively seeking a real estate deal in Russia. That is both a lie and a blatant conflict of interest, especially since he made it clear during his campaign that he wanted the US to be friends with Russia. Trump has also bragged about the money he's made selling property to wealthy Russians with Kremlin connections. That's acceptable for a private real estate developer, but an obvious conflict of interest for a politician. since he made it clear during his campaign that he wanted the US to be friends with Russia. Would you prefer going back to the cold war, and potentially a nuclear war that would kill off billions of humans? I'd rather the US was friends with Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 3 hours ago, riclag said: There’s no law barring a candidate who doesn’t already hold office from continuing to do business during a campaign It isn't illegal or criminal for private citizens to do business with Russians https://money.cnn.com/2017/07/06/news/economy/us-russia-trump-putin-business-trade/index.html You stubbornly ignore the fact that Trump lied about his links and ambitions regarding Russia. Willful ignorance to the extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: Um, "no evidence" applies to Trump COLLUSION with the Russians to sway the election. That is what the investigation is about. Of course the Russians ( and the Chinese, North Koreans, ? South Koreans, etc ) and several other countries with internet capability attempted to interfere with the US election. it's what countries do. The US has a habit of interfering with other countries political system- Cuba, Chile, etc. To believe that only the Russians interfere with other countries elections is to live in an alternate reality. I remember when Comey was sacked, and I think it was for more than investigating anything. The investigation is about Russian interference in the election, and any crimes uncovered during this investigation. Trumpies stubbornly ignore this. By Trump's own words, he fired Comey because of "this Russia thing". https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/12/politics/trump-comey-russia-thing/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: since he made it clear during his campaign that he wanted the US to be friends with Russia. Would you prefer going back to the cold war, and potentially a nuclear war that would kill off billions of humans? I'd rather the US was friends with Russia. No, I don't want to go back to the cold war, when the Soviet Union dominated regions that have since become independent nations and the Warsaw Pact countries that are now free of Russia and have no desire to be under its thumb again. Trump is abetting Russia in its attempts to re-assert this dominance. BTW: I know more about the cold war and the consequences of a nuclear exchange than you. That is why from the moment Trump announced his candidacy I routinely asserted that he is in no way competent to hold the nuclear codes. Unfortunately people are in firm denial of the threat and consequences of nuclear war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usviphotography Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 3 hours ago, heybruce said: In short, he is doing Putin's bidding as much as possible while he was trying, and still may be trying, to profit from his relationships with Russians. If that's not a conflict of interest, what is? No, he is doing America's bidding. America won the Cold War nearly 30 years ago. We spent an enormous amount of money doing it. Peace with Russia was supposed to be our reward, but a tiny cabal of people tried to steal that victory away from us. Trump ran a platform of peace and cooperation with Russia. That is what America wants. That Russia wants that too is fine and dandy, but Trump is attempting to carry out the will of the American public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 17 minutes ago, usviphotography said: No, he is doing America's bidding. America won the Cold War nearly 30 years ago. We spent an enormous amount of money doing it. Peace with Russia was supposed to be our reward, but a tiny cabal of people tried to steal that victory away from us. Trump ran a platform of peace and cooperation with Russia. That is what America wants. That Russia wants that too is fine and dandy, but Trump is attempting to carry out the will of the American public. Are you working on a Russian troll farm? Russia chose confrontation and domination over neighboring countries. Until Trump came, the US response was to oppose this along with other democratic countries. In case you haven't noticed, Putin doesn't respect weakness, he takes advantage of it. Putin sees Trump as weak. He's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 5 hours ago, riclag said: There’s no law barring a candidate who doesn’t already hold office from continuing to do business during a campaign It isn't illegal or criminal for private citizens to do business with Russians https://money.cnn.com/2017/07/06/news/economy/us-russia-trump-putin-business-trade/index.html In fact, there's no law barring a President from doing business once he's taken office. But just because something is legal doesn't mean it isn't sleazy. And exactly how do you reconcile that with "draining the swamp"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xylophone Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 10 hours ago, usviphotography said: And while there absolutely no evidence that Trump lied about anything, he is under obligation to tell the truth to the media. Cant believe you wrote that............trump lies about everything, and that is PROVEN FACT. He lies consistently and when challenged lies about that also. This poor excuse for a human being then stated that he only hired "the best people"............and look how that has turned out!! How everyday folk can support a dumb, racist, misogynistic liar is beyond me, but then they probably admire those traits in a person, so it says a great deal about them. And this from the dumb orange clown gives a clue as to his "leanings"........... US President Donald Trump has now deleted his first tweet in response to the Christchurch mosque massacres, which was posted around 8.15pm last night NZT. The tweet featured no words of condolence - or any words - just a link to a story on the tragedy posted on alt-right site Breitbart News. AND……Stephen K. Bannon, President Trump's former counsellor, has voiced admiration for a racist French novel called "The Camp of the Saints" that imagines France being overrun by non-white newcomers. Trump himself has expressed support for Le Pen; said "Islam hates us"; praised white supremacists as "very fine people"; and warned of an "invasion" of undocumented immigrants. It is deeply disturbing that the purported Christchurch attacker said he supports Trump "as a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose," Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 6 hours ago, heybruce said: The investigation is about Russian interference in the election, and any crimes uncovered during this investigation. Trumpies stubbornly ignore this. By Trump's own words, he fired Comey because of "this Russia thing". https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/12/politics/trump-comey-russia-thing/index.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017–present) the investigation includes any possible links or coordination between Donald Trump's presidential campaign and the Russian government Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobaa01 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 21 hours ago, heybruce said: No evidence? How about the fact that all US intelligence agencies agreed that Russia had interfered with the 2016 election and Trump, the beneficiary of this interference, had fired the head of the FBI for investigating this interference. Trumpies really do live in an alternative reality. was hillary involved to what extend, fake dossier financing ??? did she have a deal with the fbi ?? republican senators demanding already a second probe into hillary, dems and russian games . wbr roobaa01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 hour ago, roobaa01 said: was hillary involved to what extend, fake dossier financing ??? did she have a deal with the fbi ?? republican senators demanding already a second probe into hillary, dems and russian games . wbr roobaa01 But, but, but...Hillary! Yours is an especially weak deflection. The dossier is not fake, it exists. Much of it has been confirmed by intelligence sources. Your fiction of a deal between her and the FBI is imaginary. Republican senators are constantly demanding another Clinton investigation, in spite of the past number of investigations that came up empty, as a deflection from their own incompetence. Try using some facts, such as: Trump has been making money from Russian oligarchs for decades, and constantly tried to make more. Trump was running a "let's be friends with Russia" campaign while his organization was seeking a lucrative real estate deal with Russia. These facts have been confirmed. Do you have anything on Hillary other than Fox News conspiracy theories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017–present) the investigation includes any possible links or coordination between Donald Trump's presidential campaign and the Russian government Includes but is not limited to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobaa01 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, heybruce said: But, but, but...Hillary! Yours is an especially weak deflection. The dossier is not fake, it exists. Much of it has been confirmed by intelligence sources. Your fiction of a deal between her and the FBI is imaginary. Republican senators are constantly demanding another Clinton investigation, in spite of the past number of investigations that came up empty, as a deflection from their own incompetence. Try using some facts, such as: Trump has been making money from Russian oligarchs for decades, and constantly tried to make more. Trump was running a "let's be friends with Russia" campaign while his organization was seeking a lucrative real estate deal with Russia. These facts have been confirmed. Do you have anything on Hillary other than Fox News conspiracy theories? yes, peter strosz and lisa page statements, which confirmed hillarys misdeeds in their transcripts. lindsey grahamm will make sure hillary is put on trial. wbr roobaa01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 16 minutes ago, roobaa01 said: yes, peter strosz and lisa page statements, which confirmed hillarys misdeeds in their transcripts. lindsey grahamm will make sure hillary is put on trial. wbr roobaa01 Why don't you provide links to sources that support your fantasy claims? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 minute ago, heybruce said: Why don't you provide links to sources that support your fantasy claims? Not long ago he was touting the impending prosecution of AOC for $850,000 in campaign money fraud. I couldn't find that one on Fox. Not even on Breitbart. So whatever sources he does get his information from, you should probably get vaccinated before you enter them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobaa01 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, heybruce said: Why don't you provide links to sources that support your fantasy claims? i cannot cast the whole tucker carlson show as of 14 to 16319. wbr roobaa01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobaa01 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 17 minutes ago, bristolboy said: Not long ago he was touting the impending prosecution of AOC for $850,000 in campaign money fraud. I couldn't find that one on Fox. Not even on Breitbart. So whatever sources he does get his information from, you should probably get vaccinated before you enter them. fakenews as i was not posting "impending prosecution" . wbr roobaa01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 6 hours ago, roobaa01 said: i cannot cast the whole tucker carlson show as of 14 to 16319. wbr roobaa01 Your news source is Tucker Carlson? That explains a lot. I hope you know that he is not a journalist, he is what is politely known as a pundit--a ranting loony put on television to entertain the easily amused. If there were any truth to your post you could find credible sources to support it. However I don't think you are the sort who does research. Much like Tucker Carlson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stud858 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Tucker has the best reasoning of all political analysts I have seen and he has a cute puppy stare to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, stud858 said: Tucker has the best reasoning of all political analysts I have seen and he has a cute puppy stare to boot. Funny how none of Tucker's fans can accurately post his reasoning or give sources for the evidence that supports it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendejo Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 I still don't see how promoting the advancement of Russia in the world fits in with making America great again. The truly sick aspect of this rabid DT support is that his fans think they are going to be treated special because they voted for him, and the rest of the voters will be punished. Read the articles that have to do with people losing their jobs and farmers in dire straits due to his trade shenanigans and you'll find reactions like "Hey! We voted for him, this isn't supposed to be happening to us!" The way he's taken advantage of the ignorant is his cardinal crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobaa01 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 information for the anti-trump dossier retrieved from an outdated unvetted cnn webpage year 2009. foxnews today . the hillary reckoning kicks in. wbr roobaa01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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