xylophone Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 1 hour ago, mtls2005 said: Thanks for posting this.......it is brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendejo Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 What, only a 2 hour speech? What a wuss! Fidel Castro gave 8 hour speeches, and he was a dirty commie socialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quandow Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 11 hours ago, JHolmesJr said: duhhh...no one is disputing the date on the cheque because that is what's printed on it. clients give their lawyers cheques all the time. Since do you have to report giving a lawyer a cheque for services rendered? I can see shifty Schiff subpoena-ing all the cheques signed by trump now and making each one sound like a bribe. Dems are clueless and floundering, as usual. Again, twisting facts to match your twisted narrative, using HALF truths. No one is disputing that this check was written and NOT reported to the finance committee because they wanted to hide this action, thereby affecting the outcome of the election. That is a federal crime. THAT is what EVERYONE is accepting. Southern District of New York is already making special handcuffs for those tiny hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 17 hours ago, stud858 said: Nah. For me, it's more about respecting the result of a democratic election. For those against Trump, show you can do better and win the next election. It sucks that there is a long waiting time between president changes, but having an election every year like Australia does is disrupting from getting things done. Maybe there will be someone to win the vote away from Trump and actually do a better job for the majority of citizens. I'm thinking Trump will keep winning but only hope it stays peaceful. Well said. Rather than find a better candidate and popular policies to win in 2 years time, the Dems are just Trump Trump Trump and far as I can see have nothing else. I don't even know what their policies are. Bernie has policies ( screw the rich ), but isn't he an independent, and he's way too old and bitter now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 12 hours ago, JHolmesJr said: duhhh...no one is disputing the date on the cheque because that is what's printed on it. clients give their lawyers cheques all the time. Since do you have to report giving a lawyer a cheque for services rendered? I can see shifty Schiff subpoena-ing all the cheques signed by trump now and making each one sound like a bribe. Dems are clueless and floundering, as usual. When the best candidate the Dems can front for the election is Biden, I know they've got nothing except Trump Trump Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Small Joke Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 9:38 AM, ThreeEyedRaven said: And that is a damning indictment of the country's education system. Young people ought to have the intelligence to work out who you can trust and who you can't. Really? Actually, it takes an exceptional young mind to see through any information given at face value, otherwise, religion would not exist. It's why our politics often mirrors our parents -I was right wing well into my late twenties, before I saw through most of it, I certainly don't count myself as one of the exceptions, my aha! moment came at my first ever uni lecture, which was about 'How to think' -as opposed to being told 'what' to think (most religions, authoritarian regimes, etc) the professor simply said to the class 'Always challenge your assumptions' it was incendiary for me. I was on my way out from the dark side at last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 3:38 PM, ThreeEyedRaven said: And that is a damning indictment of the country's education system. Young people ought to have the intelligence to work out who you can trust and who you can't. LOL. I agree that the education system is rubbish, but that's as far as I agree with you. I don't know of any "young people" ( and exactly who are they anyway- such a broad term could mean anything ) that are that clever, and IMO it takes many, many years to start thinking independently. It is true that some "young people" think they know it all, but they don't really know much- they just don't know that they don't know much. Anyway, don't "young people" get all their information from the phones they have glued to their hands, and that's dodgy at best. "Social media" is not a good thing, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: LOL. I agree that the education system is rubbish, but that's as far as I agree with you. I don't know of any "young people" ( and exactly who are they anyway- such a broad term could mean anything ) that are that clever, and IMO it takes many, many years to start thinking independently. It is true that some "young people" think they know it all, but they don't really know much- they just don't know that they don't know much. Anyway, don't "young people" get all their information from the phones they have glued to their hands, and that's dodgy at best. "Social media" is not a good thing, IMO. Agree with your final sentence, it is becoming more and more a major issue for society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 45 minutes ago, stevenl said: Agree with your final sentence, it is becoming more and more a major issue for society. Thanks. I think it is ALREADY a major issue for society. No one in authority seems prepared to discuss it though- perhaps too scared? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Please stay on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHolmesJr Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 13 hours ago, quandow said: No one is disputing that this check was written and NOT reported to the finance committee because they wanted to hide this action, thereby affecting the outcome of the election. how do you know this bit in bold? How do you know why exactly the cheque was written and would you be prepared to share that evidence. we know you hate trump but where's ur proof? Surely not some crooked lawyer...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMNightRider Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 16 hours ago, JHolmesJr said: how do you know this bit in bold? How do you know why exactly the cheque was written and would you be prepared to share that evidence. we know you hate trump but where's ur proof? Surely not some crooked lawyer...lol The guy is a Trump hater and just making stuff up. Actually, he may have read it on one of those fake news sites. One would have to be an imbecile not to recognise President Trump is making America great again. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keemapoot Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 9 minutes ago, CMNightRider said: One would have to be an imbecile not to recognise President Trump is making America great again. ???? Yes, thankfully, there is a huge gang of imbeciles, many if not most of the most pertinent of them trained in criminal law. From the halls of the FBI, to the corridors of the criminal prosecutors, to the esteemed chambers of the judges and Congressmen and women and Senators, from Sea to Shining Sea. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 The first (and hopefully last) American demagogue president on parade at CPAC. This article presents the demagogue president in historical context, from ancient Greece, to more modern demagogue leaders and dictators, including American demagogue politicians in American history that never rose to the presidency. Quote Yes, Trump is undignified. Demagogues have to be. He uses vulgarity to signal whose side he’s on. It worked for Hugo Chávez, and Cleon, too. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/yes-trump-is-undignified-demagogues-have-to-be/2019/03/08/bd8d8d9c-4109-11e9-a0d3-1210e58a94cf_story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHolmesJr Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 On 3/7/2019 at 11:33 AM, keemapoot said: Yes, thankfully, there is a huge gang of imbeciles, many if not most of the most pertinent of them trained in criminal law. From the halls of the FBI, to the corridors of the criminal prosecutors, to the esteemed chambers of the judges and Congressmen and women and Senators, from Sea to Shining Sea. ???? they need to go back to studying the law....and abiding by it.....for they have not found anything legally damning....except their own fanciful theories of what they fantasise about. Now they're trying to prove these fake theories by using legally dubious means....trained in criminal law? yes, the criminal part is certainly right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 On 3/10/2019 at 11:32 AM, Jingthing said: The first (and hopefully last) American demagogue president on parade at CPAC. This article presents the demagogue president in historical context, from ancient Greece, to more modern demagogue leaders and dictators, including American demagogue politicians in American history that never rose to the presidency. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/yes-trump-is-undignified-demagogues-have-to-be/2019/03/08/bd8d8d9c-4109-11e9-a0d3-1210e58a94cf_story.html This is interesting: Quote I’m going to give you some news right now because I haven’t said this to any press person before. But since you asked, and I’ve been thinking about this: Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he’s just not worth it.” https://www.yahoo.com/news/pelosi-not-worth-it-to-impeach-trump-204822650.html I never took Nancy Pelosi for someone who cared much about not being divisive, so I'm thinking maybe there's not that much in the Mueller investigation that implicates Trump specifically. She seldom says anything that doesn't have a political motivation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, lannarebirth said: This is interesting: I never took Nancy Pelosi for someone who cared much about not being divisive, so I'm thinking maybe there's not that much in the Mueller investigation that implicates Trump specifically. She seldom says anything that doesn't have a political motivation. Also, she may have been warned, by those that know about such things, that if they do impeach Trump for less than outright criminality, the reaction of Trump's base would be so extreme that it could cause massive unintended consequences that would damage the country for years if not decades. I have been warning on TVF of such for a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keemapoot Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Also, she may have been warned, by those that know about such things, that if they do impeach Trump for less than outright criminality, the reaction of Trump's base would be so extreme that it could cause massive unintended consequences that would damage the country for years if not decades. I have been warning on TVF of such for a while now. I do agree that is those two things. She has been made privy to the Mueller report and knows though there may be a lot in that report that is damning, would not rise to the level of successful impeachment in a GOP controlled Senate. Also, as you state, Trump's base, who are notoriously "not snowflakes" could tear up the joint, and probably would. There are two other possibilities. 1. Pelosi is smart. She is setting herself up as the one who said let's not impeach in advance of a damning Mueller report, and she knows there will be an impeachment and if the impeachment goes wrong, she will not be the sacrificial lamb., or 2. She knows that there is more value to the Dems to merely drag Trump through the mud until his term ends, with constant leaks and disclosure of his nasty acts in an attempt to sour normal Republicans for the next election. I do agree fully with Lanna above too, that Pelosi has no concern with being divisive. That is who she is as a career survivor in that game. I am also certain the Mueller report will disclose a lot of nasty stuff about Trump and his clan and gang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, keemapoot said: There are two other possibilities. 1. Pelosi is smart. She is setting herself up as the one who said let's not impeach in advance of a damning Mueller report, and she knows there will be an impeachment and if the impeachment goes wrong, she will not be the sacrificial lamb., or 2. She knows that there is more value to the Dems to merely drag Trump through the mud until his term ends, with constant leaks and disclosure of his nasty acts in an attempt to sour normal Republicans for the next election. I think it's one of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 hours ago, lannarebirth said: This is interesting: I never took Nancy Pelosi for someone who cared much about not being divisive, so I'm thinking maybe there's not that much in the Mueller investigation that implicates Trump specifically. She seldom says anything that doesn't have a political motivation. Alternatively there is a great deal of damaging allegations against Trump and Pelosi would very much like to go into the 2020 election with Trump surrounded by indictments and criminality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: Also, she may have been warned, by those that know about such things, that if they do impeach Trump for less than outright criminality, the reaction of Trump's base would be so extreme that it could cause massive unintended consequences that would damage the country for years if not decades. I have been warning on TVF of such for a while now. ...but you do realize that, if that’s the case, the country already is damaged if not completely broken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becker Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: Also, she may have been warned, by those that know about such things, that if they do impeach Trump for less than outright criminality, the reaction of Trump's base would be so extreme that it could cause massive unintended consequences that would damage the country for years if not decades. I have been warning on TVF of such for a while now. And who would those be that "know about such things" (except for you of course)? The monstrosity in the WH has damaged the US and the West enough already. If there's any chance of getting rid of him before is 4 years is up I say go for it, and if a few pot bellied NRA card carrying AR-15 owners that chose to go down in flames with him then so be it. You just can't gamble away the future of a nation just because a segment of the population share a deplorable MAGA pipe dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: Also, she may have been warned, by those that know about such things, that if they do impeach Trump for less than outright criminality, the reaction of Trump's base would be so extreme that it could cause massive unintended consequences that would damage the country for years if not decades. I have been warning on TVF of such for a while now. Don’t fret so much. The rabid anger amongst Trump’s base stems from their own impotence. All the chest beating, gun waving and ‘man acting’ its all a front to cover their impotence. I urge Illiberals to give up all false hope that the cavalry is about to come over the hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelsall Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said: Don’t fret so much. The rabid anger amongst Trump’s base stems from their own impotence. All the chest beating, gun waving and ‘man acting’ its all a front to cover their impotence. I urge Illiberals to give up all false hope that the cavalry is about to come over the hill. Don't need no cavalry. The attack has been called off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said: ...but you do realize that, if that’s the case, the country already is damaged if not completely broken? The country's a little bit damaged but not anywhere near broken. After all it's just a set of ideals and some defined geography. It's the people that are broken, and that can change generationally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Also, she may have been warned, by those that know about such things, that if they do impeach Trump for less than outright criminality, the reaction of Trump's base would be so extreme that it could cause massive unintended consequences that would damage the country for years if not decades. I have been warning on TVF of such for a while now. Pelosi isn't concerned about Trump's base. She's more concerned about the independents and moderate Republicans. She saw what happened to Bill Clinton. Clinton's popularity actually went up after his impeachment fiasco as most of the public realized it was mostly political nonsense. With Trump, impeachment can easily sail through the House, but the Senate Republicans will never impeach Trump. Pelosi knows this. All it would do is give Trump the ability to cast himself as a victim. Better to wait for the Mueller report, as well as all the other investigations. But knowing the spineless congressional Republicans, it would take much more than what got Clinton for them to vote to impeach. Honestly, keeping Trump in the WH would give Democrats the best chance in 2020. Nobody can be more detrimental to Trump than Trump himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelsall Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Berkshire said: Pelosi isn't concerned about Trump's base. She's more concerned about the independents and moderate Republicans. She saw what happened to Bill Clinton. Clinton's popularity actually went up after his impeachment fiasco as most of the public realized it was mostly political nonsense. With Trump, impeachment can easily sail through the House, but the Senate Republicans will never impeach Trump. Pelosi knows this. All it would do is give Trump the ability to cast himself as a victim. Better to wait for the Mueller report, as well as all the other investigations. But knowing the spineless congressional Republicans, it would take much more than what got Clinton for them to vote to impeach. Honestly, keeping Trump in the WH would give Democrats the best chance in 2020. Nobody can be more detrimental to Trump than Trump himself. The reason she won't impeach Trump is because the Democrats have nothing on him. https://nypost.com/2019/03/11/nancy-pelosi-just-admitted-that-democrats-have-nothing-on-trump/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xylophone Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, Kelsall said: The reason she won't impeach Trump is because the Democrats have nothing on him. https://nypost.com/2019/03/11/nancy-pelosi-just-admitted-that-democrats-have-nothing-on-trump/ Will wait and see what the tax returns and other investigations turn up.............maybe not impeachment material but enough to show that he is the lying, cheating, dumb orange scumbag that many suspect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlandtday Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, xylophone said: Will wait and see what the tax returns and other investigations turn up.............maybe not impeachment material but enough to show that he is the lying, cheating, dumb orange scumbag that many suspect! Cohen laid it out and said "no russia collusion" so either Cohen lied about everything or lied about nothing... what is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, xylophone said: he is the lying, cheating, dumb orange scumbag that many suspect! No question! But how were you going to get his tax returns again? I missed that part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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