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What was involved for this couple (and dog) to get settled into a very nice little house in Guadalajara Mexico. As the second largest city in Mexico yes they do have lots of crime and security issues. Frankly. what they went through sounds like a major PITA and one of them is fluent in Spanish. But I think there may be some useful background in their video for renting in Mexico in general.

 

 

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the poverty aspect is much different in latin america then asia.

 

in latin america people KNOW they are poor and hate you for it. in asia they are poor but they dont really know how the better half is living.

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5 hours ago, fhickson said:

the poverty aspect is much different in latin america then asia.

 

in latin america people KNOW they are poor and hate you for it. in asia they are poor but they dont really know how the better half is living.

That's an extreme generalization but an interesting one.

"Asia" and "Latin America" are each very big places with very diverse cultures.

If that generalization is true about Latin Americans being more conscious and aware of their situation while in poverty, doesn't that make them pretty much the same as westerners?

A frequently heard cliché about Thailand is that it's about as different from the west as you can get. 

Latin America on the other hand -- is it part of the west or not?

I'm not exactly sure.

I recently read an item suggesting that Latin American nations have more in common with each other than they do with fellow American nations -- USA and Canada. 

I also read a hint of colonialism in your comment. They're poor and happy, isn't that charming. So they serve the cocktails with a smile instead of a smirk..

Well not so much with the smiles in Thailand anymore towards westerners, certainly the onerous immigration changes in the last year or so aren't particularly smiley.

Just posting this as food for thought.

I don't pretend to have any definitive answers on such grand questions. 

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Troll comment and oversized font post and responses also removed.

 

Please note:

If this topic is not to your liking, move on, there are plenty of other topics available. This topic is clearly of interest to others or it would not have reached 125 pages.

 

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16 minutes ago, seasia said:

I personally think that for a Brit who has had some European travel experience, some LATAM countries would be less of a culture shock to Thailand/SE Asia.

I also think they would find more similarities in LATAM than Thailand.

 

Yes LATAM countries more of a logical choice for Americans/Canadians than it would be for Brits, who generally favour somewhere in Europe.

 

 

Anyway a friend of mine is coming to the end of a fair length visit to the LATAM region, Cuba, Colombia and Dominican Republic.

I had a bit of news on some prices in Colombia from him, seems good value.

Cool.

Do you know specifically where he has visited in Colombia? 
You can't really generalize for the country as a whole about prices.

I do completely understand how many people visit a country in Latin America or anywhere and know fairly quickly that they would never want to live there. That was my feeling about the Dominican Republic. 

Of course the opposite is also true and sometimes first impressions don't turn out to mean much.

I remember when I first visited Pattaya that I thought it was absolutely the most horrible place I'd ever visited. (Now over a decade later ….)

On the other hand upon landing in Chiang Mai for the first time I felt I wanted to move there even before the plane had landed! But never did and don't regret it. 

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I'm sure a lot of people have noticed more news stories than usual about political crises all over Latin America. Some from nations that are not really surprising but also some from more surprising places particularly "first world" Chile. Well, here's a theory possibly explaining why.

 

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Why political turmoil is erupting across Latin America

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/why-political-turmoil-is-erupting-across-latin-america/2019/10/10/a459cc96-eab9-11e9-a329-7378fbfa1b63_story.html

 

 

Does such news impact people's decisions to travel to, move to, or leave certain Latin American nations? Yes, it probably does. So far though there hasn't been any kind of exodus of expats from Ecuador (concern yes but that's it) though my understanding is that a fair percentage of expats in Nicaragua have left.

 

So I guess the moral of this story is do your own research and if you're attracted to a nation, decide for yourself whether the political instability risk will impact on your decision or not.

 

Then there is always the timeless and oft ignored advice (I did in Thailand) to rent don't buy and have a go bag ready!

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Another vlogger getting settled in in Queretaro Mexico, my "pick" as possibly the most promising safer bigger city option in Mexico if you don't need a beach. She had previously been living and traveling in China. Admittedly this video is short on much useful content (unless you're a fan of tarot cards and crystals ha ha) but it's an example of what 450 USD monthly can get you in Queretaro on Airbnb. Obviously you could do better with a longer term rental. But check out this featured COMMENT!

 

 

 

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Great apartment, you haven’t done a vlog about visas, as far as I know, would be very informative how you deal with them. Thailand is becoming difficult to stay longer term, I think Central and South America is a lot easier, you can get up to 6 months on entry to most countries I believe. Iam from 🇬🇧 UK.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Another vlogger getting settled in in Queretaro Mexico, my "pick" as possibly the most promising safer bigger city option in Mexico if you don't need a beach.

i know mexico. not an option for me unless your the resort type or want to do a gringo ghetto thing and just sit. like living in puerto vallarta, but who wants to live a long time in a small tourist town or at a resort? not my thing.

 

i do know people who are happy in mexico, but they jump back to the states often when it gets a bit much and dont really MOVE to mexico, though they like to rerurn to the states and act like they live in mexico at the slightest opportunity.

 

i asked my retired bud why he does not move to mexico since he goes there so often and its cheaper. he said he would never want to live there permanently. so why does he like it? well, its a fun place to party and kind of laugh at while your there, but you need to get out before it starts to suck. he goes for a month stay about every three months.

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i know mexico. not an option for me unless your the resort type or want to do a gringo ghetto thing and just sit. like living in puerto vallarta, but who wants to live a long time in a small tourist town or at a resort? not my thing.  

i do know people who are happy in mexico, but they jump back to the states often when it gets a bit much and dont really MOVE to mexico, though they like to rerurn to the states and act like they live in mexico at the slightest opportunity.

 

i asked my retired bud why he does not move to mexico since he goes there so often and its cheaper. he said he would never want to live there permanently. so why does he like it? well, its a fun place to party and kind of laugh at while your there, but you need to get out before it starts to suck. he goes for a month stay about every three months.

 

Well you know such things are really a matter of personal tastes. 

I also know Mexico but haven't been everywhere there of course.

 

The ease of going back and forth to the US and Canada is one of the features there for those that want that.

 

Also some US expats actively use their Medicare from a Mexican base but I assume that would be more common for people living in more Northern places like Baja.

 

I love PV and feel like I could definitely live there but I've done the beach resort city thing already in Thailand plus it's now quite expensive and also horribly hot and humid summers, storms etc.

 

Mexico isn't currently on the top of my Plan B move to Latin America list for a number of reasons but I still clearly see its advantages.

 

If I did go there it would be definitely be to an inland high elevation city such as Queretaro.

 

Anyway this thread isn't about hard selling any particular choice.

 

But it is about that there are some realistic choices in Latin America that may be good for some people where most likely you won't be murdered.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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This couple makes a strong case for why THEY chose Cuenca Ecuador. I think it's worth watching if Cuenca is on your radar. 

 

 

The reasons I have against Cuenca are (just based on reaseach as I haven't been there):

 

-- The weather isn't as mild as the promoters suggest. It often gets quite chilly in those unheated apartments and houses. 

 

-- Gringo price gouging too common

 

-- Air pollution

 

-- Elevation too darned high. It's over the elevation that causes serious health problems for many. 

 

-- Visa issues. Practical timing issues with having the police record documentation from Thailand. Could turn out to be a massively expensive problem for some. 

 

-- Guinea pig as food. No thanks.

 

That said one thing I don't take very seriously as a negative is the recent political unrest there. Those kinds of things come and go and usually don't really matter that much to expats in the long run with exceptions of course (such as Venezuela). 

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I wonder if people can relate to this video if you're not a wealthy expat entrepreneur (the niche audience of the Nomad Capitalist youtube channel). Weirdly I can relate to it and I see a connection to this topic (also Thailand, Mexico, and Colombia are mentioned).

 

A connection I see is that the cliché move for western expats leaving Thailand are basically two paths -- go home to your "first world" country or move to a nearby Asean country.

 

This addresses the go home cliché more. It sort of asks -- why would you really want to?

 

BTW, the Nomad Capitalist guy is a big fan of KL, Malaysia. I like it too. I can't qualify for the residence options there but I think you can get 6 month stays on entry. Now that might be an interesting angle, 6 months in KL and then six months in Mexico or Colombia, etc. He tends to buy places though so that would be the trick to arrange housing in different places (and leaves them empty when gone!) where you would feel at home. Living in AirBnBs indefinitely doesn't sound great to me. 

 

Unfortunately there is no way to just fly in to Thailand with no visa and stay six months whenever you want.

 

 

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