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10 hours ago, Mike Teavee said:

Top places to retire in 2020... 

  1. Portugal
  2. Panama
  3. Costa Rica
  4. Mexico
  5. Colombia
  6. Ecuador
  7. Malaysia
  8. Spain
  9. France
  10. Vietnam

https://www.asiaone.com/lifestyle/portugal-ranked-best-place-retire-2020 

 

LATAM scores 5 out of the top 6 spots, IIRC Thailand came in at 17th but I can't find that link now... 

 

Any list you see you will not agree with, but only 1-3 "maybes" here, imho.

 

OK many Europeans retire in Spain and Portugal for the climate. Also S. France.

 

Costa Rica, Colombia  Ecuador OK.

But Panama?

Mexico close for US citizens.

 

Malaysia was throwing retirement visas after you but KLIA still looked empty when I have been there. Muslim country not easy to adapt to. Vietnamese not so fond of foreigner, esp north. So apart from those two and maybe Panama, list is OK. But foreigners retire in all of them, admittedly.

 

Cambodia definitely above Vietnam, imho. Indonesia, but visa struggle. India. Peru.

 

Thailand definitely beats those countries. But Asia is further away for US people and culture takes a little longer to adapt to than LA. And language takes more time to learn by a factor 2-3, partly due to difficulties finding practice.

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

do you, seriously, have any thai friends (excl. working girls)? south americans are usually lovely

friendly people, who are very similar in mind to farang.

You have an important point. But in some areas of Latin America unknown people also give a cold shoulder to gringos, but friends are easier to make there, agree.

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On 3/4/2019 at 3:29 PM, Snow Leopard said:

What some 60 years old 2 times divorced woman from Sheffield not good enough for you? 🤣 We all know why we are in Asia. The culture. 

I am here for the temples. Sorry.

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1 hour ago, thailandsgreat said:

Any list you see you will not agree with, but only 1-3 "maybes" here, imho.

 

OK many Europeans retire in Spain and Portugal for the climate. Also S. France.

 

Costa Rica, Colombia  Ecuador OK.

But Panama?

Mexico close for US citizens.

 

Malaysia was throwing retirement visas after you but KLIA still looked empty when I have been there. Muslim country not easy to adapt to. Vietnamese not so fond of foreigner, esp north. So apart from those two and maybe Panama, list is OK. But foreigners retire in all of them, admittedly.

 

Cambodia definitely above Vietnam, imho. Indonesia, but visa struggle. India. Peru.

 

Thailand definitely beats those countries. But Asia is further away for US people and culture takes a little longer to adapt to than LA. And language takes more time to learn by a factor 2-3, partly due to difficulties finding practice.

 

 

 

Agree, any list needs to be tempered with your own personal requirements/circumstances but just to call out a couple of places that you sort of "dismissed"...  

 

Panama for a long time held the crown for retiring to with guys from the US (I'm from UK BTW) & actively encouraged retirees to move there...  However, in recent years it has tightened things up so a lot of guys have maybe missed the boat, hence the neighbouring countries are now more viable options. 

 

Malaysia is an awesome place to visit/live, It may technically be a Muslim country (Indonesia, outside of Bali, being much bigger & more "Strict"), but KL is a party town & Malacca (1 of my favourite places) is very Chinese dominated so you certainly don't feel like you're in a Muslim country there (indeed it's most famous dish is probably Bak Kut Teh - Pork rib soup!) 

 

We all have our personal considerations (main one of mine being my 75yr Father & 71yr Mother) to take into account when deciding to retire somewhere, long before I saw this article I was interested about the option to move to Portugal because if I don't establish somewhere close to the UK, after Brexit, I'm going to have to move back there at some point & Portugal seems to be the best place for me (despite speaking very little Portuguese & quite a lot of French) 

 

NB I'm not saying Portugal is better than Thailand, if I honestly thought that then I would have moved there instead & it probably would have been much easier to do... But personal circumstances might mean that's it's a "Better" place for me this year (once established residency I believe I'd only need to visit for a couple of weeks a year to maintain it so feels like the right thing to do) 

 

 

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On 3/4/2019 at 5:12 AM, marcusarelus said:

Getting an O-A visa for Thailand works out to $100 dollars a year.  What Latin American countries are lower than that?

What does the cost of a visa have to do with anything?

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5 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

What does the cost of a visa have to do with anything?

Usually not much in the context of the total cost of living in a place but it is true in some cases visa processes can cost thousands of dollars and involve necessary lawyers.

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8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I'm not clear that Panama has tightened things up for retired expats.

 

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/020116/retiring-panama-pros-cons.asp#retirement-visas-perks

 

I have heard that about Costa Rica which toned down it's incentives to retired expats though.

 

My issue with Panama is that the only place there that really interests me to live at is Panama City but the cost of an apartment is not really affordable for most budget oriented retired expats. In other words more like 1000 USD per month when I'm comparing it to places where a similar unit would be 250 to 500 per month. 

 

Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest that the government had changed the rules to tighten things up, I meant that the natural result of it being successful in attracting retirees has "Tightened Things up" by causing the price of things to rise (as you say, rent being a prime example)

 

 

 

 

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Hi

 

Link to the international living article from which the list was sourced.

Has a short report on the 10 countries mentioned.

 

Brief extract from the Ecuador correspondent

 

"For me, the number one thing about Ecuador is that it offers so many different types of places to live; you can have warm weather year-round on the coast, a more temperate climate in the Andes, small village life, big-city conveniences, and everything in between.

Quite simply, some of the best weather on the planet can be found in Ecuador. The unique combination of its position on the equator, the cooling sea breezes from the Humboldt Current, the Andes mountain range, and the Amazon basin have conspired to create a variety of climates. There are beaches that are warm year-round but rarely muggy (and are too close to the equator to ever have hurricanes or tropical storms), and places in the hills where you do not need a heating or cooling system. Lush, green hills and fertile valleys are the norm in Ecuador........"

 

Sounds like a very good value country to live in.

 

Link

 

https://internationalliving.com/the-best-places-to-retire/?utm_source=pr&utm_medium=pr-organic&utm_campaign=press-release

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16 hours ago, pauleddy said:

I am here for the temples. Sorry.

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How do we know if we can move back to Spain or anywhere?

 

Boris has yet to tell us if we need special visas, or that nothing has changed.

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First the uncertainty about the renew of my extension of stay in next

october (I am on an old OA retirement extension and i refuse to go in

the insurance scam, and for some reasons the move to an O visa is not easy for me)

i was thinking about a plan B.

 

But since some weeks this plan B sound like a plan A because of the air pollution.

I can see everyday the pollution fog from my balcony and the occasional sore treat

is now becomes permanent.

 

I was at the begining interested to move to a neighbour country (Cambo, Laos or Vietnam)

but they all have some major issues for my point of view, and still the air pollution.

 

I am now looking forward for a move to Mexico

my 24 years old daughter live in the country, and i can have a 6 months

visa on arrival, without any money in bank or immigration hassle, And you

can esealy renew your 6 month visa with a visa run to a neighbour country.

 

The beaches and the sea on the gulf of mexico are far better than the ones on

the gulf of Thailand, and the cost (If you not stay in the most touristics cities)

seems to be better too.

 

Plus it's much more easy to talk in spanish for me (I can read, write and speak it)

my thaiglish and the english level in Thailand aren't the best way

to communicate with the locals, I have tried to learn Thai language, but it's a

too difficult task for me.

 

If someone has alredy tried the mexican coast, your experience is welcome.

(With the good and the bad sides of course)

 

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