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This nomad capitalist guy (a bit too Ayn Randian for my tastes, but interesting) considers retirement places if you've got a million USD. I assume he's talking about younger people. Older people that have pensions could arguably do similar with much less than the full million. He picks two places in Latin America -- Colombia and Paraguay. He's down on Asia and down on any country that is dollarized or Euroized. Which is interesting because Ecuador is dollarized and it's currently considered among the more affordable expat destinations in Latin America. For the purposes of the topic of the video, he's pushing buying a house to lock in your housing cost. Yeah, I get that, but again maybe more relevant for younger retirees as if you're older the number of years of risk of rents getting out of hand are less. Before he did push buying real estate in Cambodia, which he says has now tripled, but that's an example of place going in now you'd have housing costs risks over time. It's worth noting this guy has abandoned U.S. citizenship. He mentions a lot of Eastern European choices in the video that are interesting, but are OFF TOPIC for this thread. Perhaps someone else would like to start a new topic similar to this own about EASTERN EUROPEAN alternatives to Thailand?

 

 

 

 

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Just watched the video, not too keen on him but did like his points about interest rates on some of his preferred choices.

That made a bit of sense to me.

I do not agree with his view of avoiding US or Euro centric countries.

The former is the No.1 currency in the world.

 

As to buying property , agree with you rather than him.

If young, yes, maybe but when older maybe not.

 

On a personal basis, still retain my property in my birth country but it ( UK ) is not one I would really want to live in.

Climate does not suit.

 

Colombia and Mexico have nice climates( those being the 2 Latin America countries I have spent most time looking in to.}

 

Plenty of other choices out there.

 

As to your comments about topics on different region choices, I did actually start one, which would include Eastern Europe.

 

I know you want this , your topic to stick to Latin America and early on some posters did mention European alternatives ( yep Off Topic )

 

I started one, hope you do not mind me posting a link to it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, seasia said:

Hi

 

Just watched the video, not too keen on him but did like his points about interest rates on some of his preferred choices.

That made a bit of sense to me.

I do not agree with his view of avoiding US or Euro centric countries.

The former is the No.1 currency in the world.

 

As to buying property , agree with you rather than him.

If young, yes, maybe but when older maybe not.

 

On a personal basis, still retain my property in my birth country but it ( UK ) is not one I would really want to live in.

Climate does not suit.

 

Colombia and Mexico have nice climates( those being the 2 Latin America countries I have spent most time looking in to.}

 

Plenty of other choices out there.

 

As to your comments about topics on different region choices, I did actually start one, which would include Eastern Europe.

 

I know you want this , your topic to stick to Latin America and early on some posters did mention European alternatives ( yep Off Topic )

 

I started one, hope you do not mind me posting a link to it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's really simple.Try but do not buy.

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2 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

So far by way of keeping score there are a lot of wannabe Thailand leavers trying Latin America in their minds.  One actually went and lasted a few weeks. 

This isn't about keeping "score" though.

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10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

This isn't about keeping "score" though.

Someone has to insert a bit of reality or it becomes a total fantasy.  I understand most of the guys discussing Thailand live in other countries like Odysseus123 but some of us really do know about what we speak. 

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24 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

I think the most important aspect of moving is, if any countries in Latin America are viable alternatives to Thailand and at this juncture in time the answer is a big no.  We all could have saved the captain guy a lot of time if more genuine information had been produced. 

No. That is ridiculous. He is one person. He has a significant pension. He can afford to retire decently in the U.S. so in his case that was obviously a good personal decision for him.

Viable alternatives to Thailand means WHAT?!?

There is no country exactly like Thailand. 

If you've got to have Thailand, then it's going to be Thailand if you can manage it.

The reality I'm talking about is the dump of ONEROUS visa rule changes are indeed pushing a lot of people out of Thailand, either literally or in more indirect ways (such as just not being WILLING to put up with that anymore). 

So those people can either go home or go somewhere else.

Somewhere elses that are in Asean have been discussed to death on this forum.

Nothing wrong with that but there is more in the world than Asean.

This topic is about Latin American options.

There are about a million Americans living in Mexico. Don't try to tell me that Latin America isn't viable for a lot of people. 

It's not for everyone of course, and also of course, there is a lot of diversity in the specific Latin American nations and locations within them.

Such as in Colombia I am most interested in the small coffee region cities. That experience would be very different than Bogota or Cartagena. 

My personal focus is about a lower income retired person with limited countries that are even visa possible. A number of those countries are in Latin America. To me and others Latin America is worth at least CONSIDERING. 

Other people have different situations. For some of them Latin America may work too. 

 

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1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

No. That is ridiculous. He is one person. He has a significant pension. He can afford to retire decently in the U.S. so in his case that was obviously a good personal decision for him.

Viable alternatives to Thailand means WHAT?!?

There is no country exactly like Thailand. 

If you've got to have Thailand, then it's going to be Thailand if you can manage it.

The reality I'm talking about is the dump of ONEROUS visa rule changes are indeed pushing a lot of people out of Thailand, either literally or in more indirect ways (such as just not being WILLING to put up with that anymore). 

So those people can either go home or go somewhere else.

Somewhere elses that are in Asean have been discussed to death on this forum.

Nothing wrong with that but there is more in the world than Asean.

This topic is about Latin American options.

There are about a million Americans living in Mexico. Don't tell me people some people in the world aren't moving to Latin America and that it doesn't work for anyone.

My personal focus is about a lower income retired person with limited countries that are visa possible for me. Some of those countries are in Latin America. To me and others they are worth at least CONSIDERING. 

Other people have different situations. For some of them Latin America may work too. 

 

It has become clear to me by reading this thread that Latin America is mostly for Americans so it becomes a comparison of Latin America and America.  And since most are retired it becomes a comparison between health care affordability between America and Latin America. 

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1 minute ago, marcusarelus said:

It has become clear to me by reading this thread that Latin America is mostly for Americans so it becomes a comparison of Latin America and America.  And since most are retired it becomes a comparison between health care affordability between America and Latin America. 

Is that a problem for you? 

Sure there is more American and Canadian interest in this, but I don't agree that health care is the only issue. Health care should be an issue for ALL expats from anywhere thinking about moving anywhere. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Is that a problem for you? 

Sure there is more American and Canadian interest in this, but I don't agree that health care is the only issue. Health care should be an issue for ALL expats from anywhere thinking about moving anywhere. 

 

Don't Canadians have to live in Canada for 6 months a year?

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2 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Don't Canadians have to live in Canada for 6 months a year?

It sounds like you're talking about preserving residency for benefits. Obviously Canada can't force it's citizens to do that.

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Just now, marcusarelus said:

So far by way of keeping score there are a lot of wannabe Thailand leavers trying Latin America in their minds.  One actually went and lasted a few weeks. 

Sorry but I think you are being unfair somewhat.

 

You are I suppose referring to Captain Jack, he gave both Thailand and Mexico  a try.

I respect that. Always polite with his posts, he changed his mind.

Things did not work out for him.

 

Many things do not work out in life.

 

I do actually have friends that after spending a long time in Thailand decided it was not for them.

They are not posting here though, hardly surprising considering the abuse some receive if they post that either they have returned "home " or sought an alternative.

 

After 20 years experience here, 10 living here, 10 of visiting I have already booked my longest ever break from Thailand.

 

Yeah you have of course been here longer, if you are genuinely happy here, I am glad.

 

What exactly is the problem with considering other options?

 

Once again, as a Brit, Latin America is probably not a natural fit for me.

 

Perhaps spend some time there though, yes, that is a strong possibility.

 

The thread has educated me.

Aimed at potential expats but also of equal use to those who might want to spend time out of Asia/Europe/US.

 

Some might look in to alternatives and then decide to stay in Thailand.

Nothing wrong with a Plan B.

 

Plenty of useful info.

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Hi

 

Back on topic with a couple of questions.

 

Do either of Colombia or Mexico have a  "state "  ambulance service ?

 

To try to explain more, if you were unfortunate enough to have an accident or medical emergency out there, who is coming for you?

 

In Thailand it appears it is either the voluntary rescue service or the big private hospitals.

In the UK it is state service,

 

How is the internet in both the mentioned countries ?

More interested in reliability/stability than costs but answers on either welcome.

 

Thanks.

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1 hour ago, seasia said:

Sorry but I think you are being unfair somewhat.

 

You are I suppose referring to Captain Jack, he gave both Thailand and Mexico  a try.

I respect that. Always polite with his posts, he changed his mind.

Things did not work out for him.

 

Many things do not work out in life.

 

I do actually have friends that after spending a long time in Thailand decided it was not for them.

They are not posting here though, hardly surprising considering the abuse some receive if they post that either they have returned "home " or sought an alternative.

 

After 20 years experience here, 10 living here, 10 of visiting I have already booked my longest ever break from Thailand.

 

Yeah you have of course been here longer, if you are genuinely happy here, I am glad.

 

What exactly is the problem with considering other options?

 

Once again, as a Brit, Latin America is probably not a natural fit for me.

 

Perhaps spend some time there though, yes, that is a strong possibility.

 

The thread has educated me.

Aimed at potential expats but also of equal use to those who might want to spend time out of Asia/Europe/US.

 

Some might look in to alternatives and then decide to stay in Thailand.

Nothing wrong with a Plan B.

 

Plenty of useful info.

I'd like to read some actual experience.  Jack made a simple mistake in Thailand that could have been avoided if he had read Thai Visa for a while before he came. 

 

I'd like to read some actual experiences in Latin America. 

 

I have friends there who don't paint a very rosy picture.  I lived for many years in South Texas with hundreds of Mexican friends and employees.  None of them wanted to go back.  In fact they were afraid to go back and went to great lengths to stay in America.  I've been there.  Do you see where I'm coming from?

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59 minutes ago, seasia said:

Hi

 

Back on topic with a couple of questions.

 

Do either of Colombia or Mexico have a  "state "  ambulance service ?

 

To try to explain more, if you were unfortunate enough to have an accident or medical emergency out there, who is coming for you?

 

In Thailand it appears it is either the voluntary rescue service or the big private hospitals.

In the UK it is state service,

 

How is the internet in both the mentioned countries ?

More interested in reliability/stability than costs but answers on either welcome.

 

Thanks.

The answers you will get are from people googling stuff.  Why not do that yourself? 

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