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21 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The visa system in Mexico is surprisingly confusing.

Look at 10 sources and you'll likely see 10 different spins on it.

So it's not only Thailand.


Anyway, I have managed to glean this interesting info from a video interview with a Mexican immigration lawyer (and other sources as well).

 

-- Mexico had a historically major change in immigration law in 2012

-- The changes were so big that a significant portion of those changes from back in 2012 have not even been implemented yet!

-- Amplifying what I've heard from multiple sources, each Mexican embassy and consulate abroad may do things very differently. Sometimes to the extreme. Like having very different financial requirements and means of proving them from one place to the next.

-- New info: You are free to apply for a visa, including temporary or permanent residence at ANY Mexican embassy or consulate anywhere in the world. They might not know how to process your request but you are allowed to apply. That means as a U.S. citizen for example, you are free to apply in Thailand, in Argentina, in France, or at any consulate in the U.S. You are not restricted based on your passport of current country of residence. That's interesting to this topic because that would mean people living in Thailand might want to check out the Mexican embassy in Bangkok first. People can "shop around" to different consulates. You can ask them for their rules and if you don't like what you hear, you can ask other offices. You do need to be there in person for a personal interview though. 

-- The rules in Mexico, unlike abroad are (according to that lawyer) very consistently applied. However, catch 22, generally you can't apply for a Mexican visa in Mexico.

-- Clever exception not usually used. You can enter on a 6 month tourist visa and stay the full months and then show up the day after 6 months and say I am out of status, I now want to apply for a temporary or permanent visa. Believe it or not, they are required to process your application, apparently they won't send you to a Mexican hellhole prison, but there will be a small overstay fine. Not for most people but still interesting.

-- Trouble in not paradise Part One: As many know Mexico recently made a major political change. What that means is that at any time the major immigration law changes made in 2012 could be massively changed again. 

-- Trouble in not paradise Part Two: The Mexican government is not in synch with Washington. They are supporting the Maduro government in Venezuela unlike most of Latin America. They are (understandably) angry with the rhetoric coming from the white house about Mexico and Mexicans. What this means, opines that Mexican immigration lawyer, is that sometimes some Mexican officials seeing American nationals apply for residence in Mexico might just not always be fully professional in their processing. Remember all applicants are subject to a personal interview. The Mexican people doing the interviews are human beings. They are not immune having political feelings.

 

 

 

 

The difference between Mexico and Thailand is very simple to explain: Thailand right now is under a military regime, however parliament is intact, recently we had elections. The military has no ill intent towards the population (or foreigners).

 

Mexico is ruled by "The Mob", or bluntly: by the mafia.

Why a westerner in his sane mind want to settle there is beyond me.

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15 minutes ago, Enki said:

The difference between Mexico and Thailand is very simple to explain: Thailand right now is under a military regime, however parliament is intact, recently we had elections. The military has no ill intent towards the population (or foreigners).

 

Mexico is ruled by "The Mob", or bluntly: by the mafia.

Why a westerner in his sane mind want to settle there is beyond me.

Have you travelled much in Mexico?

It doesn't really matter what you think.

Mexico attracts very large numbers of western expats whether you think they're all insane or not.

Nobody here is trying to sugarcoat things.

 

https://www.theyucatantimes.com/2019/04/record-number-of-americans-want-to-become-expats-where-else-in-mexico/

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Record number of Americans want to become Expats… Where else? In Mexico!

 

Mexico still has cartel violence but some areas are much safer than others.

There was a recent very major change in governments so a left wing populist is now in power which adds an extra measure of uncertainty to both Mexicans and foreigners living there.

 

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1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Of course you do as you're one of the people that has come on here, again and again, with clearly no interest in the topic whatsoever, but rather an interest in attacking the value of the topic even existing. To you as well -- have you got anything to post that is ON TOPIC? 

YES - don't move to Latin America, Thailand is great!

 

After thorough research i have conducted for years, this is my findings...

 

Any questions pls ask, i'll be more than happy to answer.

 

Thank you.

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3 minutes ago, JaiLai said:

YES - don't move to Latin America, Thailand is great!

 

After thorough research i have conducted for years, this is my findings...

 

Any questions pls ask, i'll be more than happy to answer.

 

Thank you.

That's the answer for YOU.

That is not the answer for everyone.

Especially people that for a variety of reasons will be leaving Thailand, whether they really want to or not.

 

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13 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That's the answer for YOU.

That is not the answer for everyone.

Especially people that for a variety of reasons will be leaving Thailand, whether they really want to or not.

 

I only care about ME.

 

Who can answer for everyone, you?

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You imply that you have done extensive travel in Mexico.  When was the last time you lived there?  You wrote, "Have you traveled much in Mexico? (Unless you have) It doesn't really matter what you think."

No mystery. I've traveled many places in different regions in Mexico before I moved to Thailand. Not recently. I never lived there and never said that I had. I do know expats that have lived there. The only somewhat longer stay I had there was in Puerto Vallarta for about six weeks. I do understand why so many expats are attracted to Mexico. I have not however been to Queretaro which seems to me to be the best current choice for safety, good value, weather, food, infrastructure, and cultural attractions if you don't need to be at the beach.  

 

I will add that a reason I didn't consider moving to Mexico before moving to Thailand is that back then I couldn't qualify for their visa. Now I think that I can so Mexico is one of the countries that makes sense to be on my consideration list if I leave Thailand.

 

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I only care about ME.

 

Who can answer for everyone, you?

Great. So why hang out on this thread as you've already rejected the option?

 

Of course I can't answer for everyone. What a stupid comment.

 

Deciding on where to live is a personal decision for everyone. It's not a simple matter of right or wrong choices or one size fits all.

 

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2 hours ago, JaiLai said:

YES - don't move to Latin America, Thailand is great!

 

After thorough research i have conducted for years, this is my findings...

 

Any questions pls ask, i'll be more than happy to answer.

 

Thank you.

I'm curious, in Thailand I have encountered a few clazee farangs, I believe some should be medicated.

 

Would you say LATAM attracts more of these mental misfits or same same as Thailand ?

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18 minutes ago, Luckysilk said:

I'm curious, in Thailand I have encountered a few clazee farangs, I believe some should be medicated.

 

Would you say LATAM attracts more of these mental misfits or same same as Thailand ?

I don't recognise the word "clazee" - sorry.

 

I've never been to Latin America ( if that's what LATAM means ) so can't comment. Thailand has it's fair share of mental misfits that's for sure.

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1 hour ago, Luckysilk said:

I'm curious, in Thailand I have encountered a few clazee farangs, I believe some should be medicated.

 

Would you say LATAM attracts more of these mental misfits or same same as Thailand ?

If topic of this thread is any indication I'd say the cheap charlies who can't afford Thailand are looking to Latin America.  Americans don't go to Mexico for the fine wines and cultural opportunities.  

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If topic of this thread is any indication I'd say the cheap charlies who can't afford Thailand are looking to Latin America.  Americans don't go to Mexico for the fine wines and cultural opportunities.  
Not Mexico or Colombia for wine. No. But Chile and Argentina yes. Interestingly Queretaro MX is in the middle of a major wine producing region though. Not sure about quality though. There is mass production of sparkling wine there.

Cheap Charlies? Not sure such insults are necessary. Sure of course many expats are seeking a better quality of life for Iess money in Latin America and other regions as well.

That seems to be a particular appeal of Colombia currently perhaps largely because their currency is so weak. Mexico has a weakish currency too but overall its more expensive than Colombia. My current favorite place there Puerto Vallarta is too expensive for me for example.

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10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Not Mexico or Colombia for wine. No. But Chile and Argentina yes. Interestingly Queretaro MX is in the middle of a major wine producing region though. Not sure about quality though. There is mass production of sparkling wine there.

Cheap Charlies? Not sure such insults are necessary. Sure of course many expats are seeking a better quality of life for Iess money in Latin America and other regions as well.

That seems to be a particular appeal of Colombia currently perhaps largely because their currency is so weak. Mexico has a weakish currency too but overall its more expensive than Colombia. My current favorite place there Puerto Vallarta is too expensive for me for example.

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Argentina would be my choice as the USD has doubled in value there in 5 years.  If it keeps going I could rent a mansion with my social security.   My mistake about the Chilean wines I'm drinking one right now and it's excellent as they have some kind of free trade wine deal with Thailand.  

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