Swedish Man Arrested In Soi Neun Pleub Wan, Pattaya

[posttenebraslux]

Double colonel Itipon has hit again ! Why can Pattaya Police only catch unimportant people

and leave the big ones alone ? Why not hunt the murderer of the two Russian girls ? End of

the rope already ?

[dieter1]

DRUGS,DRUGS, DRugs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drugs

laws are made by men (not god !)

laws are different in every country and vary from time to time

Sometimes there is a law, that you will be killed, if you are not willing to kill someone else

(f.e. if your country makes a war)

Or there is a law, that you have to be killed, if you are trying to protect someone from being killed...

laws , whats good whats bad, many different laws and many different oppinions in the world...

[wineman]

hmm i think easier access to drugs is a good thing, not everyone can afford doctors, let alone drugs. if it is sold over the counter in thailand, why couldn't it be like that everywhere?

The Thai Police did take the swede in to custody on request from swedish Police Because he is wanted on drug charge in Sweden, and his passport is revoked so he is staying ileagaly in Thailand.

Thats the only thing the Thais have on him so he is to be deported to Sweden as soon as possible.

In sweden if your are ill these drugs are subsidised

This guy is an Angel trying to help someone who is seriously ill. Let the Swede go! Stop being so nasty!

Sometimes thaivisa amazes me and other times you people (collective you) bemuse me. In the article above you have already decided that the person arrested is an upstanding citizen of Sweden who is doing the "right thing" by sending legally sourced drugs from Thailand back to help the citizens of Sweden who are in desperate need of said drugs. You have no information to verify the facts but have jumped to his defence anyway. Yet only a couple of days ago you (collective you) immediately concluded that two women shot dead on a beach were illegal prostitutes from Russia and executed by Russian mafia for failing to pay their dues to their bosses. That you had no factual evidence did not faze you, nor did it prevent you from thinking for a second that whatever the circumstances or reason two people were brutally murdered on a public beach.

I sincerely hope that the police and courts do not take the same blithely ignorant attitude as is displayed on a regular basis in this forum.

Rant mode <off> Peace module <installed> Life goes on program <initiated>

Sometimes, no, many times, the posts on here really beggar belief. To think that back in the UK and some other places, some of the contributors may be liable for jury service. :D

I agree 100% with Crow Boy. Well said!

[JacknDanny]

DRUGS,DRUGS, DRugs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drugs

laws are made by men (not god !)

laws are different in every country and vary from time to time

Sometimes there is a law, that you will be killed, if you are not willing to kill someone else

(f.e. if your country makes a war)

Or there is a law, that you have to be killed, if you are trying to protect someone from being killed...

laws , whats good whats bad, many different laws and many different oppinions in the world...

Is that quote from Shakespeare?

[mr_hippo]

MST Continus is not as the report says a morphine based painkiller, it is morphine and illegal possession is a criminal offence. I cannot comment on Swedish law but you cannot buy anti-biotics or adrenelin 'over the counter' in th UK. He is a trafficker.

[Siamfan]

Hi Guys-

guess its time to add some real informations....

I know this poor fellow very well- He is in fact very sick himself and needs all these drugs to help himself surviving his daily pain caused by severe back spinal problems.

He had a back surgery a few months ago, this failed, after that he had daily 2 visits from the Bkk Pattaya Hospital ambulance, morning and evening, the nurses gave him intra venal antibiotics against his infection of the wound... over 2 weeks !

These drugs are mostly prescripted to him from Bkk Pattaya Hospital! He needs everything they found with him daily !!!!!

I really want to know who set him up? Somebody must have blackmailed him massively....It is really unbelievable to print his full name and address before he is convicted!!!!!

Now he is still in Bkk Jail, suffering heavily from not getting his medication-

Does anybody know a good lawyer to help him quickly in Bkk ?

[steffi]

So is it illegal for me to buy a pack of 100 Amoxy 500mg capsules and take them with me when I leave Thailand?

hmm i think easier access to drugs is a good thing, not everyone can afford doctors, let alone drugs. if it is sold over the counter in thailand, why couldn't it be like that everywhere?

[buriramboy]

Hi Guys-

guess its time to add some real informations....

I know this poor fellow very well- He is in fact very sick himself and needs all these drugs to help himself surviving his daily pain caused by severe back spinal problems.

He had a back surgery a few months ago, this failed, after that he had daily 2 visits from the Bkk Pattaya Hospital ambulance, morning and evening, the nurses gave him intra venal antibiotics against his infection of the wound... over 2 weeks !

These drugs are mostly prescripted to him from Bkk Pattaya Hospital! He needs everything they found with him daily !!!!!

I really want to know who set him up? Somebody must have blackmailed him massively....It is really unbelievable to print his full name and address before he is convicted!!!!!

Now he is still in Bkk Jail, suffering heavily from not getting his medication-

Does anybody know a good lawyer to help him quickly in Bkk ?

if what you say is 100% true, then a very sad story indeed.

BB

[bander]

Hi Guys-

guess its time to add some real informations....

I know this poor fellow very well- He is in fact very sick himself and needs all these drugs to help himself surviving his daily pain caused by severe back spinal problems.

He had a back surgery a few months ago, this failed, after that he had daily 2 visits from the Bkk Pattaya Hospital ambulance, morning and evening, the nurses gave him intra venal antibiotics against his infection of the wound... over 2 weeks !

These drugs are mostly prescripted to him from Bkk Pattaya Hospital! He needs everything they found with him daily !!!!!

I really want to know who set him up? Somebody must have blackmailed him massively....It is really unbelievable to print his full name and address before he is convicted!!!!!

Now he is still in Bkk Jail, suffering heavily from not getting his medication-

Does anybody know a good lawyer to help him quickly in Bkk ?

if what you say is 100% true, then a very sad story indeed.

BB

Another big f...ckup from Pattaya police and immigration, they don't want to arrest the killer from Jomtien it's more easy to bust sick people after tip from reliable sorces. THIS IS THAILAND remember!

[mr_hippo]

If it is true, why didn't he get a letter from his doctor stating that the medicines were for his own use?

[Crow Boy]

Hi Guys-

guess its time to add some real informations....

I know this poor fellow very well- He is in fact very sick himself and needs all these drugs to help himself surviving his daily pain caused by severe back spinal problems.

Another big f...ckup from Pattaya police and immigration, they don't want to arrest the killer from Jomtien it's more easy to bust sick people after tip from reliable sorces. THIS IS THAILAND remember!

It continues: Siamfan writes "I know this guy" and everyone is now jumping to his defence because he is obviously a poor guy with spinal problems and the victim of a terrible bungle. I don't know siamfan and have no reason to doubt what he wrote but someone could just as easily written that the guy was a convicted pedophile and used the narcotics to hook his victims. The point though is how quick you guys jump from one conclusion to another.

Then buriramboy jumps in with "they don't want to arrest the killer from Jomtien it's more easy to bust sick people after tip from reliable sorces" What reliable source? Certainly not from Thaivisa or do you have official insight into these cases and are just keeping it under cover?

Then you finish it with the ever popular TIT - This Is Thailand Yeah right and this is ThaiVisa where you can arrest, convict, and sentence anyone without the annoying hindrance of evidence, common decency, or due process - just hang em all and let God sort em out - that should be the T Shirt of the day.

[posttenebraslux]

It seems that the double (twins ?) Nitipons have no more urgent business

than catching small-scale suspects. Who cares about the murder of the two

Russian girls, already backstage or forgotten ?

[buriramboy]

Then buriramboy jumps in with "they don't want to arrest the killer from Jomtien it's more easy to bust sick people after tip from reliable sorces" What reliable source? Certainly not from Thaivisa or do you have official insight into these cases and are just keeping it under cover?

Go back and check who typed what, cause i certainly didn't type that, i await your apology.

BB

[buriramboy]

Then buriramboy jumps in with "they don't want to arrest the killer from Jomtien it's more easy to bust sick people after tip from reliable sorces" What reliable source? Certainly not from Thaivisa or do you have official insight into these cases and are just keeping it under cover?

Go back and check who typed what, cause i certainly didn't type that, i await your apology.

BB

That was for you crowboy

[CTM]

britmaveric, people who order the drugs from te Swede obviously know what they're buying, and if the drugs were ever sent to the wrong person and that person died, they would deserve itfor being an idiot. What kind of person would reach into his mailbox, find some pills and think "Wow! I better take all of these!"?

Britmaveric would, Limeys aren't too smart.

[indy33]

I don't think that breaking the law by transferring lower-priced medicines to a country where they are more expensive can be justified (with the motive of helping someone who can't afford them, however sad that is).

It is one thing if the medecines are lower-priced in Thailand because they are produced by a Thai manufacturer. The lower price may be necessary to induce people to take the risk that the product might be substandard. Then there is no harm to the Thai manufacturer when the medicines are export exported for it.

But it is entirely different if the medecines are made by the same manufacturer as the ones sold in Sweden. The manufacturer may choose to sell them at a lower price in Thailand because that is all the market will bear there, or possibly for humanitarian reasons. So they will rely on laws to help them keep the prices different.

If there were no such laws, or the laws were not enforced, or many people flouted them, the manufacturer would be forced to equalize the prices. While the Swedes may get a slightly lower price, it is more significant that the Thais would get a much higher price than many could afford.

The issue concerns the clash of socialist and capitalist ideas on manufacture and sale of pharmaceuticals.

[Crow Boy]

Then buriramboy jumps in with "they don't want to arrest the killer from Jomtien it's more easy to bust sick people after tip from reliable sorces" What reliable source? Certainly not from Thaivisa or do you have official insight into these cases and are just keeping it under cover?

Go back and check who typed what, cause i certainly didn't type that, i await your apology.

BB

That was for you crowboy

Buriramboy - I went back, checked who typed what and realised that I when I deleted out the quote unquote name quote unquote stuff I had inadvertantly attributed this to you. It should have read Bander.

I unreservedly apologise for my error to you

regards

Crowboy

[Scott]

If this guy was set up, it is very sad. I don't think he has a lot to fear, if that is the case, because a visit to the hospital/Dr. should clear it up. And it wouldn't be the first time that someone got set up in Pattaya--I believe there was a high profile case a few years back.

I also don't think the Pattaya police made an either/or decision about the two murdered ladies and this guy. If they know who shot the two girls, I am reasonable sure they could arrest him AND this poor guy on the same day.

The thing here is, why was he sending drugs back to Sweden and why did he have a police badge?

I don't think that if I got busted with a kilo of pot that the police or anyone else would buy my argument about having glaucoma.

If he's innocent, best of luck to him. If not, I hope him the best. He doesn't exactly seem like a common drug peddler, but he is going on very dangerous ground.

[NanLaew]

So is it illegal for me to buy a pack of 100 Amoxy 500mg capsules and take them with me when I leave Thailand?

hmm i think easier access to drugs is a good thing, not everyone can afford doctors, let alone drugs. if it is sold over the counter in thailand, why couldn't it be like that everywhere?

Technically yes. If you are in possession of any prescription or controlled medication in a country where that medication is either prescribed or controlled and you do not have a prescription or permit for that substance, you are liable to prosecution. This is regardless of where you purchased the medication and any lack of equivalent restrictions in that country of purchase. Also note that in the US (for example) you are liable to prosecution for possession of a controlled substance without a prescription.

Witness the case of a college kid who drove home for Thanksgiving where he picked up a cold. His grandma gave him the remainder of a controlled cold medication that she was prescribed 'for the trip home' which was in another state. The kid got pulled over on a routine traffic stop and when the police tossed the car and found the medication in someone else's name in his possession, he was arrested.

Not fair? You be the judge.

[dman]

Anyone know where I can buy some of that MST Continus? My back is a little sore today along with an arse ache from my boss.

On a serious note. I do like the fact that antibiotics are sold over the counter in LOS. I carry a 10 day supply of wide spectrum anti-biotics whenever I travel. In the US it costs hundreds of dollars to get an appointment and prescription for simple anti-biotics. Big racket and waste of time and $$$. On the downside antibiotics are all too often routinely dispensed for everything, including viruses for which they are useless, causing new strains of bacteria to become resistant. I believe the selling of anti-biotics over the counter in LOS will soon disappear.

As for the Swede. Do not know enough about his case. If it was to truly help others then I applaud his effort, even if illegal. Similar to the many samaritans who are routinely arrested in the US for dispensing clean syringes to drug addicts.

Helping those less fortunate is something we should all include in our daily routine of life.

[pattaya_girl]

I SAY CATCH THE GUNMAN WHO SHOT THOSE TWO GIRLS AND STOP PICKING ON SOME OLD SICK GUY WHO PROBABLY DIDNT REALISE IT WAS SUCH A BIG ISSUE. IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THIS GUY IS GETTING THE BACKLASH COZ THEY CANT FIND THE GUNMAN SO THEY ARE TAKING IT OUT ON HIM. JEEZ !!!!!!

[Rowdyman]

Don't know whether the Swede actually did export the drugs or not but if he did, I think the real loser is the user who thinks he is getting a good price but might only be getting sugar pills. Suppose someone has a heart condition and receives medicene from other than their local pharmacy and it is a some of the estimated 10% of fake drugs in the world (and higher in developing countries). The person could easily die and this does happen. Think male enhancement drugs, one of the most often faked in the world because of the amount of money chasing them, and rampant in thailand. Think that cialis you bought in Pattaya was a good deal, think again, there is a better than even chance it was fake. Now, I'm not supporting most western pharmacy prices because it is surely as close to a legalized racket as ever existed, but what you get has less than a 1% chance of being fake.

[PhilHarries]

But it is entirely different if the medecines are made by the same manufacturer as the ones sold in Sweden. The manufacturer may choose to sell them at a lower price in Thailand because that is all the market will bear there, or possibly for humanitarian reasons. So they will rely on laws to help them keep the prices different.

The issue concerns the clash of socialist and capitalist ideas on manufacture and sale of pharmaceuticals.

Humanitarian reasons in the pharmaceutical industry? That's a new one on me.

[mr_hippo]

I SAY CATCH THE GUNMAN WHO SHOT THOSE TWO GIRLS AND STOP PICKING ON SOME OLD SICK GUY WHO PROBABLY DIDNT REALISE IT WAS SUCH A BIG ISSUE. IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THIS GUY IS GETTING THE BACKLASH COZ THEY CANT FIND THE GUNMAN SO THEY ARE TAKING IT OUT ON HIM. JEEZ !!!!!!

First of all, turn your caps lock off - you are shouting! Since when does a 38 year old qualify as 'some old sick guy'?

[Temporaneo]

I am simply astonished the report puts Zitromax among the "forbidden" drugs list.

I wonder if the policeman who wrote the report knows for what disease it is.

I guess he has never used it in his life (550 baht a box !)and probably is cronically clamydia infected

[Prakanong]

hmm i think easier access to drugs is a good thing, not everyone can afford doctors, let alone drugs. if it is sold over the counter in thailand, why couldn't it be like that everywhere?

You really think anybody should just be allowed to go along and buy any drugs they want?

What about the safety issues or are you advocating total libetarian views?

If the person was medically supervised back home then I see no harm in personal supplies being supplied from abroad but I would not advocate a total free for all.

Just as we have car seat belt and motor bike helment laws we need the laws on restriction to what are powerful drugs - people do need saving from themselves.

Unless you are total libertarian of course ;-)

[Meg_2003]

I SAY CATCH THE GUNMAN WHO SHOT THOSE TWO GIRLS AND STOP PICKING ON SOME OLD SICK GUY WHO PROBABLY DIDNT REALISE IT WAS SUCH A BIG ISSUE. IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THIS GUY IS GETTING THE BACKLASH COZ THEY CANT FIND THE GUNMAN SO THEY ARE TAKING IT OUT ON HIM. JEEZ !!!!!!

First of all, turn your caps lock off

Since when were you the moderator of this forum?

Edited March 1, 2007 by Meg_ken2003

[Prakanong]

But it is entirely different if the medecines are made by the same manufacturer as the ones sold in Sweden. The manufacturer may choose to sell them at a lower price in Thailand because that is all the market will bear there, or possibly for humanitarian reasons. So they will rely on laws to help them keep the prices different.

The issue concerns the clash of socialist and capitalist ideas on manufacture and sale of pharmaceuticals.

Humanitarian reasons in the pharmaceutical industry? That's a new one on me.

Now now ;-)

We have a very good record on CSR

Most of the vaccines we give to the developing world are at cost or below!

We just screw everyone else ;-)

[mr_hippo]

I am simply astonished the report puts Zitromax among the "forbidden" drugs list.

I wonder if the policeman who wrote the report knows for what disease it is.

I guess he has never used it in his life (550 baht a box !)and probably is cronically clamydia infected

Where in the report does it mention a 'forbidden drugs list'? Zitromax is not only used for chlamydia infections but for other infections - please see http://www.drugs.com/cons/Azithromycin.html

In my never too humble opinion, he is in possession of a controlled drug - MST - which may have been obtained illegally, possession of medicines for export without a licence and dispensing medicines without a licence.

[sabaijai]

Wonder where he was getting the pharma and if the police are going after the Thais that sold him these drugs? MST Continus is certainly one high up on the proscribed list.