Immigration Detention Centre

[Golden Triangle]

I wasn't sure quite where to ask this so my apologies if I've put it in the wrong forum, please feel free to move it. 

 

If one were to be arrested and the authorities decide to deport you, what would be the procedure ?

 

i only have a copy of my passport in the car along with my Thai drivers licence, if they were gonna kick you out would they take you back to your home to pick up essentials like my wallet with my UK bankcard & Credit cards, passport, washing and shaving gear and a suitcase of clothes computers tablets and stuff and lastly would I be allowed to go to the bank and withdraw as much cash as I could ? 

 

As far as I am aware this scenario is very unlikely to occur, but it would be useful to know what the procedure is, not just for me but for all the honest upright citizens that are TV members 

 

Thanks in advance.

Edited March 7, 2019 by Golden Triangle

[theoldgit]

What brought this on?

[Golden Triangle]

10 minutes ago, theoldgit said:

What brought this on?

Just curiosity actually, we've (mostly) all heard about the IDC but I know very little about it or the procedures involved.

 

I've been here for close to 8 years, I have a considerable sum in the bank here, and a lot of personal stuff that I would hate to lose after being kicked out shirtless & penniless.

 

And as I stated in my OP I am a not in anyway under the threat of being removed from the Kingdom.

 

Knowledge is king ???? 

 

 

[Boomhauer]

49 minutes ago, Golden Triangle said:

If one were to be arrested and the authorities decide to deport you, what would be the procedure ?

A friend of mine was banged up in IDC for 3 months in 2017. He was caught by immigration police overstaying his visa on Koh Phangan during a jungle rave. He was asked to produce his passport on the spot and when he couldn't produce it he was taken back to his hotel to pick his passport up. Upon officers discovering he was on overstay he was slung into the back of a pickup and sent to a holding cell overnight whilst transport was being arranged for him to be whisked up to Bangkok. The day after he was transferred to IDC Bangkok where he was locked in a cell 24/7 for the next three months, until his family could send him the money for a plane ticket back home. He was allowed to take whatever possessions he had with him in his room at that time.

 

He shared a cell with around 30 other overstayer's, some of whom had been in that cell for years. It's not a nice experience by all accounts, and you will remain there indefinitely until you can afford your plane ticket back home.

Edited March 7, 2019 by Boomhauer

[freedomnow]

8 minutes ago, Golden Triangle said:

Just curiosity actually, we've (mostly) all heard about the IDC but I know very little about it or the procedures involved.

 

I've been here for close to 8 years, I have a considerable sum in the bank here, and a lot of personal stuff that I would hate to lose after being kicked out shirtless & penniless.

 

And as I stated in my OP I am a not in anyway under the threat of being removed from the Kingdom.

 

Knowledge is king ???? 

 

 

I hope someone can post of Dee Money services and if you can transfer money out of Thailand if you are outside Thailand. Stock brokers can accept money in from overseas so that gets sent back to source overseas banks, but not sure about money pools in Thai banks in the situation you are talking about..

Dee money appears to be the way to easily remit money out of Thailand without all the 'bureaucrap'.

[Sticky Wicket]

15 minutes ago, Boomhauer said:

A friend of mine was banged up in IDC for 3 months in 2017. He was caught by immigration police overstaying his visa on Koh Phangan during a jungle rave. He was asked to produce his passport on the spot and when he couldn't produce it he was taken back to his hotel to pick his passport up. Upon officers discovering he was on overstay he was slung into the back of a pickup and sent to a holding cell overnight whilst transport was being arranged for him to be whisked up to Bangkok. The day after he was transferred to IDC Bangkok where he was locked in a cell 24/7 for the next three months, until his family could send him the money for a plane ticket back home. He was allowed to take whatever possessions he had with him in his room at that time.

 

He shared a cell with around 30 other overstayer's, some of whom had been in that cell for years. It's not a nice experience by all accounts, and you will remain there indefinitely until you can afford your plane ticket back home.

Why 3 months? 

[Boomhauer]

1 minute ago, Sticky Wicket said:

Why 3 months? 

He comes from a poor family and that is how long it took them to come up with the money between them all. It was sourced from aunts, uncles, friends because his parents couldn't afford it by themselves. Life is pretty bleak in the UK for those on universal credit.

[scottiejohn]

39 minutes ago, Boomhauer said:

Life is pretty bleak in the UK for those on universal credit.

Then why are they squandering their universal credit on exotic overseas trips for either themselves ot their extended family? 

That money is meant to cover living expenses while they look for work, if capable.  As he was attending a "rave" and able to travel this far then he was capable of work!  And as he was in Thailand long enough to overstay he was clearly not working and was on credit himself, not just his relations

Bloody scrounger!

Edited March 7, 2019 by scottiejohn

[Boomhauer]

7 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Then why are they squandering their universal credit on exotic overseas trips for either themselves ot their extended family? 

That money is meant to cover living expenses while they look for work, if capable.  As he was attending a "rave" and able to travel this far then he was capable of work!  And as he was in Thailand long enough to overstay he was clearly not working and was on credit himself, not just his relations

Bloody scrounger!

Yes, I agree, he is a scrounger. He should never have come to Thailand with so little money in his pocket without a return flight or a realistic view to stay here long term. Instead he decided to overstay and he paid the penalty.

[JaiLai]

He comes from a poor family and that is how long it took them to come up with the money between them all. It was sourced from aunts, uncles, friends because his parents couldn't afford it by themselves. Life is pretty bleak in the UK for those on universal credit.

It took all these people to get £5-600 together..

I didn’t realise there were people that poor in the UK


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[attrayant]

7 hours ago, Golden Triangle said:

I've been here for close to 8 years, I have a considerable sum in the bank here, and a lot of personal stuff that I would hate to lose after being kicked out shirtless & penniless.

 

 

This is what gives me heartburn every time I read the visa forum with all the stories about fickle immigration officers denying entries for silly reasons like "you travel around Thailand too much".   We're retired, aren't we supposed to be traveling around Thailand enjoying our retirements and emptying our bank accounts into the local  economy?  My last three retirement extensions were each done in different provinces precisely for this reason.  Is that going to put a bad taste in some immigration officer's mouth some day?  Who knows.

[BritManToo]

4 hours ago, JaiLai said:

It took all these people to get £5-600 together..
I didn’t realise there were people that poor in the UK

 

Most people are that poor all over the western world.

Just google 'Most Americans couldn't pay an unexpected $500 bill'.

[Golden Triangle]

With all due respect guys, no one has actually answered my questions which is a little disappointing, while I value your input I would dearly like someone to answer my questions in the OP, thanks  ????

[hobobo]

15 hours ago, Golden Triangle said:

With all due respect guys, no one has actually answered my questions which is a little disappointing, while I value your input I would dearly like someone to answer my questions in the OP, thanks  ????

I do not have a first hand experience but a close friend was arrested about a year ago. The police did not take him back to his condo but straight to the cells and told him that a friend could come to the station to get his key, go to the condo and bring back all the things that he needed. Some "tax" was "levied" on certain items though my friend eventually agreed to this. After his appearance at court the following Monday he was taken to IDC and the same friend brought more items and money before his deportation.

[Briggsy]

23 hours ago, JaiLai said:

 

It took all these people to get £5-600 together..

I didn’t realise there were people that poor in the UK


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The cost is considerably higher. Deportees are very limited on the airline and ticket type. They also have to pay the fine and for transport to the airport. In addition, the process is confusing, time-consuming and bureaucratic and is very hard to achieve without someone on the outside ferrying documents back and forth to organise your deportation. This takes up a lot of time.

 

It is much more difficult and expensive than getting online and buying the next single air ticket to the UK.

[krabi local]

An acquaintance of mine was arrested and fined at court for an immigration offence.
They were not allowed to collect anything from their accommodation apart from passport and wallet.
A friend collected a few bags of personal items and took them to immigration but they were only allowed one bag.
The next day transported to IDC in Bangkok where they stayed until the flight home. In IDC they had their phone and other electronics taken from them but had access to a landline phone.
Once back in their home country they were then given their passport and baggage.


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[Slipperyone]

57 minutes ago, hobobo said:

I do not have a first hand experience but a close friend was arrested about a year ago. The police did not take him back to his condo but straight to the cells and told him that a friend could come to the station to get his key, go to the condo and bring back all the things that he needed. Some "tax" was "levied" on certain items though my friend eventually agreed to this. After his appearance at court the following Monday he was taken to IDC and the same friend brought more items and money before his deportation.

This best reply if arrested police will ask if want to contact your embassy . Put in cells with other non Thai until Court and then of to immigration all a 3 day process . People can come see you give items /food 

[Golden Triangle]

Thanks for input people, I would have said guys (but that could be seen as sexist ) That is the sort of info I was looking for, so, much obliged ????

[Joe Mcseismic]

Before they let you out of IDC, they have to contact the police to see if you have any outstanding arrest warrants. This used to take three days.

[The Theory]

“not just for me but for all the honest uprightcitizens that are TV members “

Especially those who are over stayers at this moment. 

[NoshowJones]

On 3/7/2019 at 3:35 PM, JaiLai said:

 

It took all these people to get £5-600 together..

I didn’t realise there were people that poor in the UK


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Some old age pensioners are so poor that they have to choose between heating and eating, and hundreds die every year

through cold related illnesses. They even have to pay for a TV licence until they are 75 years old and

also council tax. That's the UK for you.

[Golden Triangle]

19 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

Some old age pensioners are so poor that they have to choose between heating and eating, and hundreds die every year

through cold related illnesses. They even have to pay for a TV licence until they are 75 years old and

also council tax. That's the UK for you.

Yep, a shithole for sure, one of the  many reasons why I won't go back, the other one being that a really bad winter would probably kill me.

[NightSky]

On 3/7/2019 at 3:35 PM, JaiLai said:

 

It took all these people to get £5-600 together..

I didn’t realise there were people that poor in the UK


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Why would everyone be rich in the UK?

 

There are rich and poor in every country and I would say most are living just above the bread line. 

 

Which country are you from where everyone has spare cash?

 

[NightSky]

21 minutes ago, Golden Triangle said:

Yep, a shithole for sure, one of the  many reasons why I won't go back, the other one being that a really bad winter would probably kill me.

I’m British and I’ve lived in Thailand many years although I still love my home country England.

 

there are many beautiful places in the UK and there’s s lot to be said for the social services available. speak for yourself you may have lived in a so called shithole although that’s your personal experience. It certainly isn’t mine.

[fuzzie]

The Immigration Detention Centre Bangkok, the cells hold up to 80 to 100 in each depending on nationalities you will spend 4 days locked up and 2 hours excersize and to buy goodies on the 5th day. your flight back home will be arranged by them and you or family will pay Mine tock 1 mounth and boy was I glad to be out of there, disease and skin problems to little space and to many people. (LIVE AND LEARN)

[A1Str8]

Prepare for the worst, right?
What would happen is this: whether they take you home or not depends on the people that get you. Some would, some wouldnt. If they decided to deport you, you would need your pass to leave, so its either picked up with them or a friend brings it later. They wont let you go anyway, if you dont have it. As for your stuff, they dont care. They wouldnt take you home coz of that. As for getting cash from the atm, you would get top notch escort to every atm in town. Then you would give them some. Or if you didnt, then they would provide you with some additional trouble on top of kicking you out. Then when you get to the airport, they would try you for some more.
Buy something at the duty free area, etc. They are actually quite nice, if you have money.

[brokenbone]

am i not allowed to chose destination of my own choosing or what ?

i would go to vietnam through cambodia by car

[JackGats]

If you get arrested try to message someone asap before your phone gets confiscated or runs out of power. Normally Immigration have a duty to warn your consulate about your detention but it is better for a friend or relative to know about it. You will not be raped or starved in the IDC but it is good to have someone visit you asap especially if your consulate is slow to visit you. Food is barely good for survival so a visitor can bring you chocolate milk, dry fruit etc. The most important thing is for you or someone to produce the money to pay the fine and to pay for a flight home. You also need some money to make phone calls from inside the IDC. I got someone out of the IDC and back to her native country, that's why I have some experience of the place. I'll be visiting someone else there next Thursday. African girl too, has been there 8 months.

Edited March 8, 2019 by JackGats

[shy coconut]

On 3/7/2019 at 4:36 PM, Golden Triangle said:

With all due respect guys, no one has actually answered my questions which is a little disappointing, while I value your input I would dearly like someone to answer my questions in the OP, thanks  ????

You're not the guy from the triangle bar, are you?

[champers]

On 3/7/2019 at 12:39 PM, Boomhauer said:

He comes from a poor family and that is how long it took them to come up with the money between them all. It was sourced from aunts, uncles, friends because his parents couldn't afford it by themselves. Life is pretty bleak in the UK for those on universal credit.

Not quite bleak enough to jog off to Thailand to party party party.