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18 hours ago, nev said:

They have just constructed a dual railway right through the spine of Isaan to Korat passing through Khonkaen, By the way the new Khonkaen railway station has just opened and it is very impressive.

Is the Dual railway finished already? Driving from Saraburi to Khon Kaen we passed huge, very impressive construction sites where they built elevated tracks (I first thought it was a new elevated motorway). Is this already for the highspeed train or the railway you talk about ?

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5 hours ago, huberthammer said:

Is the Dual railway finished already? Driving from Saraburi to Khon Kaen we passed huge, very impressive construction sites where they built elevated tracks (I first thought it was a new elevated motorway). Is this already for the highspeed train or the railway you talk about ?

Yes the station is open in Khonkaen and trains are running on the new tracks.

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10 hours ago, huberthammer said:

Is the Dual railway finished already? Driving from Saraburi to Khon Kaen we passed huge, very impressive construction sites where they built elevated tracks (I first thought it was a new elevated motorway). Is this already for the highspeed train or the railway you talk about ?

I thought that was for the new rail track, but I have been told it is the new expressway, Bangkok -Korat, why it had to be elevated I  do not know.

 

 

Not a good photo, but a flyover near me that will go over the new high-speed train line, this is midway between Saraburi and Pak Chong. a good few million baht was spent 

It has been built as this road is one on the main approach roads  for sugar cane traffic to our local sugar mill, I hope they will put in a newline and fence. 

30  km up the road at Mortlock Saraburi the new line is all elevated looks very impressive. 

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On 3/14/2019 at 3:42 PM, johng said:

I wonder if these stations will have wheelchair access and lifts designed in from the beginning..and not poorly implemented afterthought ?

One can only hope

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On 3/14/2019 at 9:38 PM, Older and Wiser said:

Why don't they borrow from the Japanese, their rate is usually less than 1%?

Because the Chinese will supply the funds, the labour, the tracks and rolling stock

It all part of the Belt and Road initiative started many years ago, which has African nations, Pacific Island nations and Asian countries, in debt they can never repay.

It a take over plan with long range views.

 

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21 minutes ago, geoffbezoz said:

I suspect the station design will undergo revisions later so that machine gun posts and watch towers will be added in preparation for the next military coup.

The latest progress report on the Bangkok/Nong Khai link is that in April 2019 they will start on the 11 km section between Sikhiu-Kut Chick (don't hold your breath).

They estimate that it will only take 540 days to complete that section. At that rate of construction it will therefore take another 80 years to build the remaining 597 kms. So the opening ceremony will take place around the year 2100. Buy your tickets now to avoid the rush. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Cadbury said:

The latest progress report on the Bangkok/Nong Khai link is that in April 2019 they will start on the 11 km section between Sikhiu-Kut Chick (don't hold your breath).

They estimate that it will only take 540 days to complete that section. At that rate of construction it will therefore take another 80 years to build the remaining 597 kms. So the opening ceremony will take place around the year 2100. Buy your tickets now to avoid the rush. 

 

By which time there will have been around another 24 military coups no doubt

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How much will the tickets cost? A lot of low-income earners from Isaan would rather spend 12 hours in a bus or a low-speed train rather than paying premium. Even if it is a few hundred bahts (but it will be much more than a few hundred baht).

As for the middle class people of Bangkok, they would rather use their car, or fly. I know some of them also have concerns about the safety of a high speed train in Thailand.

I doubt there is enough market to sustain this expensive project in the long run. This is not Europe.

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On 3/14/2019 at 3:17 PM, nev said:

These trains will be a blessing in disguise to the rural folk of Isaan, Many will no longer have to ride in the backs of pick up trucks for many many hours to get back on the holidays, And hopefully will help with the amount of cars making the trip back.

It will still be cheaper to load the family into the pick up.

At the end of the day its all about money

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1 hour ago, Peterbkk99 said:

How much will the tickets cost? A lot of low-income earners from Isaan would rather spend 12 hours in a bus or a low-speed train rather than paying premium. Even if it is a few hundred bahts (but it will be much more than a few hundred baht).

As for the middle class people of Bangkok, they would rather use their car, or fly. I know some of them also have concerns about the safety of a high speed train in Thailand.

I doubt there is enough market to sustain this expensive project in the long run. This is not Europe.

The price has been announced already, even though nothing has really happened regarding the construction.

"Fares will start at Bt195 from Bangkok’s Bang Sue station to Ayutthaya and increase to Bt278 to Sara Buri, Bt393 to Pak Chong and Bt535 to Nakhon Ratchasima."

<Sarcasm mode: on>

You can rely on the government looking after the people's interest.

<Sarcasm mode: off>

See details below:

https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/1016957-construction-bids-for-high-speed-train-project-in-coordination-with-china-to-be-completed-in-2018/

 

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On 3/14/2019 at 11:42 AM, Cadbury said:

 

Well, everything is just about set and ready to go! 

The ticket prices have been set, the new railways station in Bangkok is upgraded to to take high speed trains and now the Ayuthaya, Saraburi, Pak Chong and Nakorn Ratchasima HS stations have been beautifully and culturally designed. Next to be released will be the design of the tickets.

Now only the easy part left to do like finish loan negotiations with the Chinese then build a 630 km track and if there is any money left they can purchase the trains. 

You missed the lunch menu.

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As a rule, like most Thai-ified ideas, Thai engineering is UNIQUELY TERRIBLE and has the following characteristics that will guarantee a poor high speed railway:

 

1. Preoccupation with looks over function.

Ex

A. Crisscrossing escalators in malls forcing high volume traffic to collide 

B. Condo projects that lack proper ingress and egress 

C. Laughable Airport Raillink that could not properly accommodate... passengers with luggage! 

 

2. Lack of efficiency-focused design.

Ex

A. ridiculous BTS stations that have ticket purchasing in the middle of where people queue to get in

 

3. Poor quality materials leading to immediate and constant maintenance. 

Ex

A. Almost every major project that has unplanned construction occurring immediately after "finishing" because the Thai engineering and construction teams forgot to or could notqconsider critical information. 

 

4. Poor safety 

Ex

A. U-turns on high-speed expressways! 

 

 

The high-speed rail will be terrible like most other things Thais touch. 

 

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