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2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Most likely yes.

This is why I label these changes as ONEROUS.

This is why many people are strongly considering leaving Thailand. 

If we're not pushed out now, there are strong signs we will be later.

Over basically nothing.

That is no way for people to be living as they age. 
It's not humane.

That's why the monthly income method is not the best choice.  It's the choice of the skint set who can't put 800k in the bank.  I really think they should re think living here.  They should move to a more humane place. 

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6 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

That's why the monthly income method is not the best choice.  It's the choice of the skint set who can't put 800k in the bank.  I really think they should re think living here.  They should move to a more humane place. 

Personally, I think every single retired expat here should be thinking about leaving now. Not necessarily based on the recent changes. but what they REPRESENT as to the level of unreasonableness of what can be expected of the immigration laws here, currently now and going forward with future onerous changes. Also, new people, why would you come here? You're not a respected retired expat here. You're a SUSPECT. Maybe you think no big deal but several years down the line when you've made your "home" here, feeling a totally false residence security here that is all an ILLUSION, when your bridge back home may be very difficult, imagine how you'll feel then when the immigration laws bite you in the arse. Which you can pretty much predict, they will. 

 

Or you could buy an Elite Card. Sure, but where is the guarantee that the visa associated with the card will REALLY be honored without new conditions for the full term of years you have purchased? Answer -- there is no guarantee.

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19 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Personally, I think every single retired expat here should be thinking about leaving now.

Are you considering taking your own advice?

 

19 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You're a SUSPECT

What does a typical suspect look like.

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find a lawyer ...you already have proof you are married so they should not bother you asking for more proof....how much proof more proof can they ask for. They are just probing to see how much they can bother and stress you .It should be stopped directly or they will continue giving you a hard time .

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2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes, but I am also considering taking the risk of buying an elite card.

Dead money.

Just stick 800K in an FD account and forget about it, if you can afford the Elite.

At least the cash is still yours.

 

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

If I didn't have an expensive hard to sell asset here, I would definitely be leaving. 

That's probably the biggest reason for most sticking it out.

 

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

A typical suspect looks like anyone that is living here without Thai nationality. Bona fide tourists are welcome.

How would a Thai distinguish between the two, are they considering neck collars for long termers again.

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They can tell whether you're a tourist or not when they look at your passport. 

I'm not convinced the Elite Card isn't worth it just to not have to deal with immigration (at least based on their current promise). 
Yes, I totally agree being stuck with large assets in Thailand and/or marriage/relationship to Thais are real and valid motivations to NOT leave. 

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1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Personally, I think every single retired expat here should be thinking about leaving now. Not necessarily based on the recent changes. but what they REPRESENT as to the level of unreasonableness of what can be expected of the immigration laws here, currently now and going forward with future onerous changes. //

A rather ridiculous statement IMHO. You should realise that not everyone is in the same case of you - because not using the same method or not from one of the 3 bad countries - and that many expats have no problem with their visa/extension.

As for myself by example the process is easy (Embassy Letter), requires only one trip to Immigration per year, and didn't change since the first year I use it. So why should I think about leaving? Many expats in this same or similar easy case.

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2 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

A rather ridiculous statement IMHO. You should realise that not everyone is in the same case of you - because not using the same method or not from one of the 3 bad countries - and that many expats have no problem with their visa/extension.

As for myself by example the process is easy (Embassy Letter), requires only one trip to Immigration per year, and didn't change since the first year I use it. So why should I think about leaving? Many expats in this same or similar easy case.

For NOW.

Whatever, dude, don't see the writing on the wall. Your life. 
Also you don't have my permission to ever change the emphasis on my posts. 

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10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

For NOW.

Whatever, dude, don't see the writing on the wall. Your life. 
Also you don't have my permission to ever change the emphasis on my posts. 

Get a life dude.

 

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He never changed the content of your post, he just emphasised a particular part he was referring to by underscoring.

I don't see that as a breach of rules.

 

You could be accused of antagonising other members with your comments.

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Common sense prevail, no harm done.

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2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Common sense? I see none in your post. Don't bother baiting me further. I've acknowledged we have different POVs about the real meaning of these recent changes. I think they are a very serious scene of immigration matters become much more like POLICE ENFORCEMENT matters. If you're not impacted now, to think you'll always be safe later is just foolish. 

Nothings guaranteed in life, not even life itself.

 

I hear your concerns and you raise some good points and questions, but if you can predict the future of what may or may not happen, your wasting your talents.

 

Try getting a Visa for a Thai to live in the UK, Australia, or the US, then you'll have something tangible to complain about.

Thai Immigration rules and policies are a cinch compared to western Countries.

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1 minute ago, Tanoshi said:

Nothings guaranteed in life, not even life itself.

 

I hear your concerns and you raise some good points and questions, but if you can predict the future of what may or may not happen, your wasting your talents.

 

Try getting a Visa for a Thai to live in the UK, Australia, or the US, then you'll have something tangible to complain about.

Thai Immigration rules and policies are a cinch compared to western Countries.

This isn't about migration to western countries, and you know that.

It's shameless whataboutism that has no relevance. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Personally, I think every single retired expat here should be thinking about leaving now. Not necessarily based on the recent changes. but what they REPRESENT as to the level of unreasonableness of what can be expected of the immigration laws here, currently now and going forward with future onerous changes. Also, new people, why would you come here? You're not a respected retired expat here. You're a SUSPECT. Maybe you think no big deal but several years down the line when you've made your "home" here, feeling a totally false residence security here that is all an ILLUSION, when your bridge back home may be very difficult, imagine how you'll feel then when the immigration laws bite you in the arse. Which you can pretty much predict, they will. 

 

Or you could buy an Elite Card. Sure, but where is the guarantee that the visa associated with the card will REALLY be honored without new conditions for the full term of years you have purchased? Answer -- there is no guarantee.

You've been posting threads about alternatives to Thailand (Thaiexit) for what is it now? About 10 years?  One thing at least to your credit is you sure are consistent.  I've been here through 4 coups and one war.  A little visa shakeup that only effects the skint set isn't going to bother me much.  But thanks for memories.  Watch out for those doors. 

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9 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

You've been posting threads about alternatives to Thailand for what is it now? About 10 years?  One thing at least to your credit is you sure are consistent.  I've been here through 4 coups and one war.  A little visa shakeup that only effects the skint set isn't going to bother me much.  But thanks for memories.  Watch out for those doors. 

It doesn't only impact the skint. If you actually believe that, you simply haven't been paying attention. 

 

I'll ignore your personal comments as I've explained that interest (and reasons for my hesitations) multiple times already. Hecklers saying just leave already mean nothing to my decision process. I think everyone needs to take care of their own personal interests to the best of their ability, and that may mean leaving, that may mean staying, but I do think everyone should pay attention to the subtext of these recent major changes for Thai immigration's approach to foreigners living here in general (currently impacted or not). 

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