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BANGKOK 21 April 2019 23:21
biplanebluey

"no brakes"accidents in Thailand

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For a long time now I have been wondering why so many accidents in Thailand have been suggested as being caused by brake failure. Well the one thing I did know was that there is 2 different brake fluids and lwanted Dot4 to do a repair job at home. At this time and. I have to point out that the 2types of brake fluid are Dot3 and Dot4. Dot3 is perfectly satisfactory for motorcycles especially small scooters. Some time ago now it was found that with the emergence of large trucks and Big heavy cars and pickups Dot3was overheating and causing brakes to fail so came the birth of Dot4,and as I have said l wanted Dot4 so l was not just surprised but quite horrified to find that out of 5 major new car suppliers only1 in the whole of Udon Thani could supply me with Dot4 and the others seemed to be surprised that I was making such a scene about it. I am also surprised that nobody has picked this up. Especially as most of the vehicles involved seem to be Buses, large trucks and other big vehicles. Anybody else got any thoughts on this? 

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1 minute ago, Sealbash said:

You will notice this is an initial statement made by reporters prior to discovery of facts or any actual investigation. No official causal statistics are ever given to substantiate this assumption.


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The drivers say they had no brakes so are they all lying, and have heard no reports about any loss of brakes so is it not important enough to treat this as urgent 

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Consequently, the DOT 5.1 brake fluids level was created to differentiate these two very different chemistries which both meet DOT 5 brake fluids performance requirements.
In so many words, DOT 5.1 brake fluids are simply DOT 4-type brake fluids which meet DOT 5 brake fluids performance requirements. Because of this, they typically can be mixed with DOT 3 or DOT 4 brake fluids without concern. Sometimes, they are even referred to as ‘DOT 4 Plus’ or ‘Super DOT 4’ brake fluids because they are more similar to a conventional DOT 4 fluid by chemistry than they are to a conventional DOT 5 brake fluid. In fact, DOT 5.1 is essentially comprised of borate esters.

https://www.lubricants.total.com/brake-fluid-types

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2 hours ago, Almer said:

I have no data for dot 3 or 4, but somebody out there has, however HGV, large passenger carring vehicles would in the  main have air assistance, the brake failure cry is used by many to inexpirienced police officers at the scene of an incident and  it looks like it works everytime,.

Brake fade is what i fear they are refering to, after driving 40 years throughout Europe in a large passenger vehicle i can assure the world brake fade is very real,  take a 20.000 kg vehicle with 50 plus

souls aboard down an incline holding the brake in all the way, disaster is very near, brake fade is the commen denominator of many Thai incidents with large vehicles, now go down the same incline check braking in a low gear and  different outcome, sorry to all who understand this phenomenon, now try explaining that to a proffesional thai driver, it will not take you long because they will tell you there brakes are fine all the time it is only a problem when people stop quick in front !!!!

Isn't the 'failure' of the brakes when going down hill caused by the air compressor being unable to keep up with the usage of air and then no brakes? Well I thought that is what happens if air brakes are used too much.

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Think more it's the "breaker" not the breaks itself that is the problem in Thailand.

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46 minutes ago, HiSoLowSoNoSo said:

Think more it's the "breaker" not the breaks itself that is the problem in Thailand.

A lot of truth in that I think ... pulling up at out of town traffic lights I always looksee in the rear view mirror and try to leave enough gap to the car in front so I have an escape route ....

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24 minutes ago, JAS21 said:

A lot of truth in that I think ... pulling up at out of town traffic lights I always looksee in the rear view mirror and try to leave enough gap to the car in front so I have an escape route ....

Rule of Thumb - if, when stopped behind another car, you can see where his rear tires touch the road, you have room to turn from behind him and pass to either side.

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With tegard to the Buffalo incident, disgusting. 

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