sanemax Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Just now, AlexRich said: Then you are in the same time zone as Houston, USA. No, that was a typo that I corrected , couldnt edit for some reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRich Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Just now, sanemax said: Rebate has the same meaning, wherever you are a partial refund to someone who has paid too much money for tax, rent, or a utility. pay back (such a sum of money).https://www.google.com/search?q=rebate+meaning&rlz=1C1NHXL_enTH712TH712&oq=rebate&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l5.4925j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Read the link in full ... "the rebate is applied straight away ... so the UK never contributes this much". What it means is that the "net" figure is sent to Brussels ... not the gross. When a company is calculating it's VAT payment, it deducts input VAT (on purchases) from output VAT (on sales), and pays the net amount. Same principle. Take it up with the fact checker Max ... you tell them!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Just now, AlexRich said: All that self-inflicted mendacity giving you insomnia Max? Yeah , stayed up and watched the Mendacity game verses Swansea, won 2-3 , now watching the Mendaunited game 0-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 8 hours ago, dick dasterdly said: And precisely how would you describe Osborne's promised 'punishment budget' - that was proven to be an outright lie? It became unnecessary because of quick action by the BoE to slash interest rates even though the GBP was collapsing and massive QE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 9 hours ago, dick dasterdly said: Very true - and neither does anyone else as the calculations have never been published..... Edit - Which is more than a bit odd. As you point out, 39 bn is one hell of a lot of money and so needs to be fully explained! https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-can-we-avoid-paying-the-39-billion-brexit-divorce-bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayboy Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Fortunately, the British Government has a clear policy to deal with this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Grouse said: It became unnecessary because of quick action by the BoE to slash interest rates even though the GBP was collapsing and massive QE. Slashed by 0.25%? Come on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, nauseus said: Slashed by 0.25%? Come on! Why bother responding? Osborne didn't realise that the BoE would step in to help correct any problems? Never mind how you look at it, Osborne's promised 'punishment budget' was an outright lie, and the worst type of attempted manipulation of the vote. As it turns out, I suspect that this outright, obvious lie was the final straw for more than a few voters - so his lie probably helped the leave campaign! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: Why bother responding? Osborne didn't realise that the BoE would step in to help correct any problems? Never mind how you look at it, Osborne's promised 'punishment budget' was an outright lie, and the worst type of attempted manipulation of the vote. As it turns out, I suspect that this outright, obvious lie was the final straw for more than a few voters - so his lie probably helped the leave campaign! Yes, the leave campaign was assisted by an assortment of unlikely and unwitting (i.e. witless) allies! Thanks George. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 48 minutes ago, nauseus said: Slashed by 0.25%? Come on! Half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 11 hours ago, AlexRich said: Read the link in full ... "the rebate is applied straight away ... so the UK never contributes this much". What it means is that the "net" figure is sent to Brussels ... not the gross. When a company is calculating it's VAT payment, it deducts input VAT (on purchases) from output VAT (on sales), and pays the net amount. Same principle. Take it up with the fact checker Max ... you tell them!!! Its quite a difficult thing to work out the exact figure , they can be forgiven for not getting the figure 100 % correct , rounding it up to a round figure . Although I dont think that it would have made much difference , people didnt caste their vote solely BECAUSE of what was written on the bus , it may have helped voters form an opinion , but they would have formed the same opinion had the figure been 250 million, or whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Grouse said: Half "Half" is 50 % "Half" isnt 0.5 % Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Grouse said: Half Half of FA is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Grouse said: Half I know you meant half a percent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 7 hours ago, jayboy said: Fortunately, the British Government has a clear policy to deal with this issue. Exactly, we only have two weeks left so we need an extension, but I do not think 3 months is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRich Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 58 minutes ago, sanemax said: Its quite a difficult thing to work out the exact figure , they can be forgiven for not getting the figure 100 % correct , rounding it up to a round figure . Although I dont think that it would have made much difference , people didnt caste their vote solely BECAUSE of what was written on the bus , it may have helped voters form an opinion , but they would have formed the same opinion had the figure been 250 million, or whatever If you watch the TV movie on that subject ... the people involved knew exactly what they were doing ... even they acknowledge it, even if you can’t bring yourself to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 16 hours ago, sanemax said: Yes, but we still give the E.U 350 Million per week , so the words on the bus were the truth (What they give to us is a different matter) No. UK gives 250. The rebate is applied directly and is not paid back later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 ???? John Bercow speaker of the H.O.C. : https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-warned-she-cannot-hold-another-vote-on-same-brexit-deal-11669533 And here you can read the MP's reactions in the day live : https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2019/mar/18/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-vote-deal-boris-johnson-tells-may-to-try-again-to-get-eu-to-change-backstop-politics-live 16:08 Bercow suggests he will not allow another Brexit deal vote unless EU agrees further changes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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elliss Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 On 3/16/2019 at 8:29 PM, sanemax said: As I wasnt in the UK at the time and I didnt really follow the campaigns , I dont really know who said what , so, no, I dont know what people were saying . You are not alone , Most TV preachers , have not been resident in their beloved UK for a long time . Carry on regardless , Whitehall has connections on TVF, you have been warned . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetCowboy Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 On 3/17/2019 at 5:55 PM, AlexRich said: If you watch the TV movie on that subject ... the people involved knew exactly what they were doing ... even they acknowledge it, even if you can’t bring yourself to. I don't know about the Common Law, but it seems to me that people who are stupid enough to believe charlatans deserve all that they get, and their neighbours should suffer equally until they realise the benefits of parliamentary democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 3 hours ago, StreetCowboy said: I don't know about the Common Law, but it seems to me that people who are stupid enough to believe charlatans deserve all that they get, and their neighbours should suffer equally until they realise the benefits of parliamentary democracy. What on earth are you on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 On 3/17/2019 at 6:30 PM, candide said: No. UK gives 250. The rebate is applied directly and is not paid back later. And do you really think that that caused people to vote Brexit ? If , on the side of the bus it had 250M written , do you think that Remain would have won ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 minute ago, sanemax said: And do you really think that that caused people to vote Brexit ? If , on the side of the bus it had 250M written , do you think that Remain would have won ? No idea. However, it is only one lie among others and the sum of them surely had an effect. By the way, the net cost is even lower: 170M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 On 3/17/2019 at 6:30 PM, candide said: No. UK gives 250. The rebate is applied directly and is not paid back later. "Rebate" means to give money back , a rebate isnt a discount . A discount is a reduction , a rebate is whats given back after youve paid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 32 minutes ago, sanemax said: "Rebate" means to give money back , a rebate isnt a discount . A discount is a reduction , a rebate is whats given back after youve paid No. It's not the way it works in this particular case. And anyway, why are you so obsessed with this theoretical cost of 350M? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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