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BANGKOK 25 March 2019 14:36
puukao

Should I go to the Labor Department???

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I've was at my school for one year, everything "normal."  Got a new contract, 40,000.  Worked the first semester, then took off October (we both said that was fine).  I worked November at only 30,000 (we both verbally agreed) and then they let me travel December, January and February with no pay but no issues with work permit.  We agreed I would work in March and April (summer camp) and I've been at the school for a few days and a few parties (both for free, they post my picture everywhere).   

 

Now they really don't want me to work Summer Camp, or at only like 20,000 baht.  

 

But.....hahahahhahahahah...they want to give me a new contract for May.  

 

Nothing is in writing about the aforementioned activities, except my contract.  Private school.

 

I'm not comfortable working for 20,000....but I'm not sure what will happen if I go to the Labor Department.  

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contract is good until April 30th.  I have a WP, of course.  I looked at my contract, and it says they need to give me something in writing with 30-days notice.  I was also at a function last week in front of hundreds of people and they, like always, had me on stage as a teacher.  

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Just make 50% less effort during the Summer Camp.

 

Get your new contract and take their money. If they want to play, then play. Experienced teachers here will know what I mean.

 

Good luck.

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3 hours ago, puukao said:

...I'm not sure what will happen if I go to the Labor Department.

 

Nothing. You either accept the contract or you do not. Up to you, as they say.

 

The Labour Department will not negotiate a contract for you.

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9 hours ago, blackcab said:

 

Nothing. You either accept the contract or you do not. Up to you, as they say.

 

The Labour Department will not negotiate a contract for you.

My contract says 40,000.  They only want to play me 20,000.  We agreed on 40,000, but they only want to pay me 20,000 since it's Summer Camp.  I'm not looking to negotiate now, they are.  Will the labor department force them to pay me 40,000 and what problems will I have?

 

 

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If you are being underpaid then you need to go to the Labour Court. It is highly likely you will be paid any money you are owed.

 

Either the school will realise that you won't accept less than the contract rate and leave you alone, or they will feel they have lost face and not renew your contract.

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i have other offers from other schools.  

 

Here's how it worked last time... "you don't work as much, is 30000 ok instead of 40000?"  I said, "ok">  This was last year for one month.  can i ask the labor department for the 10,000?  

 

Now they will say again, "summer camp, only 20,000."  Do I have to wait until they pay me 20,000 before going to the labor department, or can i go next week?

 

if i verbally agree on 20,000, does it mean i voided my own contract?

 

what i want is 40,000 for march and 40,000 for april.   But i only worked a few days this month, summer camp starts next week.

 

i'm done playing games, but prepared if they try to fire me immediately and cancel my work permit without warning.  

 

just curious my possible options

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Labour department doesn't deal with this. You'll need to report them to labour court.

 

However if you do that, you should be aware that foreigners rarely get on top against Thais. So not only is it unlikely you'd get any gains, but you could end up losing even more.

 

As for labour department - nothing would happen. They'll just tell you to take them to court.

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On 3/15/2019 at 10:50 PM, blackcab said:

Nothing. You either accept the contract or you do not. Up to you, as they say.

 

The Labour Department will not negotiate a contract for you.

I seem to remember reading in the Thai labour act (can't find it now), that an employer cannot decrease a salary for performing the same work as previously, of course, then the termination of the contract comes into play.

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You are right, however the OP agreed to accept a lower rate. This is ok if both parties agree.

 

Now it seems the OP's employer has proposed an even lower rate.

 

Up to the OP if they accept or not.

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On 3/18/2019 at 11:37 AM, tomazbodner said:

Labour department doesn't deal with this. You'll need to report them to labour court.

 

However if you do that, you should be aware that foreigners rarely get on top against Thais. So not only is it unlikely you'd get any gains, but you could end up losing even more.

 

As for labour department - nothing would happen. They'll just tell you to take them to court.

Yeah, I believe what you said would more or less be accurate. I feel that they just want to take advantage of foreigners but they will do it without being too obvious.

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You don’t seem to be that flexible.....school is no summer camp 

 

since you negotiated # of months off to the benefit of both parties, money doesn’t seem to be a need of yours...  

 

you can make a stink and win but I would open up a new contract to others to assess other takers come May if I was management 

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seems to be that if you agree to something once it sets up a precedent in thai culture

 

have a default no to any requests reasonable or otherwise unless a contract is written.

 

you will find something like that is ok

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On 3/15/2019 at 7:03 PM, puukao said:

Got a new contract, 40,000

- Does the contract specify min number of hours days  you need to work?

- In 5 months you taken 4 off is this considered excessive by

the school? Giving the school the feeling you’re not interested in 

working.

- Is summer camp less hours and pay addressed in contract

- Boils down to what is stipulated in the contract 

- Before you start throwing rocks read the contract over a few

times making sure an item you have issues with are in contract 

or not.

- is there risk of being black bslled if you go the labor department route?

- Sit down and discuss with the school issues and becomes of it, if it works for you great. If it doesn’t don’t say anything at the time.

get another job in line give 30 day notice 

 

good luck

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