Ethiopia crash probe advances with voice download, fresh details

[rooster59]

Ethiopia crash probe advances with voice download, fresh details

By Aaron Maasho, Leigh Thomas and Maggie Fick

 

FILE PHOTO: A member of the ground crew directs an Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner plane at the Bole International Airport in Ethiopia's capital Addis Ababa, August 21, 2015.REUTERS/Tiksa Negeri

 

ADDIS ABABA/PARIS (Reuters) - The hunt for the cause of an Ethiopian Airlines plane crash that killed all 157 people on board gathered pace on Saturday when investigators successfully downloaded the cockpit voice recorder and fresh details emerged of the final seconds of the flight.

 

While experts say it is too soon to know what brought down the Boeing 737 MAX 8 on March 10, aviation authorities worldwide have grounded Boeing's 737 MAXs, as concerns over the plane caused the company's share price to tumble.

 

In Addis Ababa, a source who has listened to the air traffic control recording of the plane's communications said flight 302 had an unusually high speed after take-off before the plane reported problems and asked permission to climb quickly.

 

A voice from the cockpit of the Boeing BA.N 737 MAX requested to climb to 14,000 feet above sea level - about 6,400 feet above the airport - before urgently asking to return, the source told Reuters on condition of anonymity because the recording is part of an ongoing investigation.

 

The plane vanished from radar at 10,800 feet.

 

"He said he had a flight control problem. That is why he wanted to climb," the source said, adding there were no further details given of the exact problem and the voice sounded nervous.

 

Experts say pilots typically ask to climb when experiencing problems near the ground in order to gain margin for manoeuvre and avoid any difficult terrain. Addis Ababa is surrounded by hills and, immediately to the north, the Entoto Mountains.

 

In Paris, France's BEA air accident investigation agency said data from the jet's cockpit voice recorder has been successfully downloaded. The French agency said in a tweet it had not listened to the audio files and that the data had been transferred to Ethiopian investigators.

 

The BEA also issued a photo showing the recorder intact but dented by the impact of the plane's crash into a field minutes after take-off from Addis Ababa.

 

"We are waiting for the results. We are making all the necessary efforts to identify the cause of the accident," Ethiopian Minister of Transport Dagmawit Moges told reporters in Addis Ababa.

 

"This kind of investigation needs considerable amount of time to reach concrete conclusions".

 

The Ethiopian carrier said DNA testing of the remains of the people on board flight 302 may take up to six months, and it offered bereaved families charred earth from the plane crash site to bury. Passengers from more than 30 nations were aboard.

 

Dagmawit said temporary death certificate had been given, and a final one would be issued in two weeks time. Collection of DNA samples from relatives had begun.

 

Victim identification would be done to scientific international standards, and internationally-recognised organisations such as Interpol were going to be involved in the process, she said.

 

As families await results from the investigation, the airline is planning to hold a service on Sunday in Addis Ababa, at the Kidist Selassie, or Holy Trinity Cathedral, where many of Ethiopia's past rulers are buried under its pink stone spires.

 

EARTH FROM THE CRASH SITE

 

"We were told by the company that we will be given a kilo (of earth) each for burial at Selassie Church for a funeral they will organise," said one family member who asked not to be named.

 

The return of remains - most of which are charred and fragmented - would take up to six months, the papers said, but in the meantime earth from the crash site would be given.

 

Around 100 relatives, including the brother and father of pilot Yared Getachew, gathered at a memorial for the victims at the Kenyan embassy.

 

"His dream was to be a pilot," said Meno Getachew Tessema, 39, Yared's brother. "He was diligent, hardworking, he had a consistent work ethic. I would like to emphasize his record and that he was a rising star at Ethiopian Airlines."

 

Flight data has already indicated some similarities with a crash by the same model of plane during a Lion Air flight in October. All 189 people onboard were killed. Both planes crashed within minutes of take off after pilots reported problems.

 

The grounding of the 737 MAX jets has had no immediate financial impact on airlines using the planes, but it will get painful for the industry the longer they do not fly, companies and analysts said on Friday.

 

Boeing plans to release upgraded software for the 737 MAX in a week to 10 days, sources familiar with the matter said.

 

The U.S. planemaker has been working on a software upgrade for an anti-stall system and pilot displays on its fastest-selling jetliner in the wake of the deadly Lion Air crash.

 

GRAPHIC- Grounded flights: https://tmsnrt.rs/2O6jQbI

 

GRAPHIC - Ethiopian Airlines crash: https://tmsnrt.rs/2ChBW5M

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-03-17

 

 

[lannarebirth]

Boeing used to be one of America's greatest companies. It was engineering centric and its front office existed mainly to monetize the great breakthroughs its engineers developed year after year. Now, Boeing is a business that is run by bean counters, who only utilize engineers, (increasingly software engineers rather than aeronautical engineers) to make money. Previously profits were a byproduct of its innovation. Now profits outweigh all other motivations. They are a political entity now. People in Washington state joke Senator Patty Murray is "The Senator from Boeing".

[Tug]

Boeing will fix the problem but their reputation has definitely take a hit

[morrobay]

This 737 max is a different plane than the previous 737 , more powerful engines that pitched the nose up. So Boeing installed software that would compensate by pitching nose down in order to avoid costly retraining of pilots. In other words they jury rigged plane to feel like old plane. This was also the cause of the Lion air crash where the pilots were fighting with the software for control of plane. If interested you have to read some of the very technical (beyond me) engineering/pilots forums for understanding what happened. 

[Nyezhov]

3 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

Previously profits were a byproduct of its innovation

Thats silly. Profit is ALWAYS number 1

[car720]

The French are loving this.

[lannarebirth]

14 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Thats silly. Profit is ALWAYS number 1

The business plan and its execution is number 1. If it is attractive it is assumed profits will ensue. That's why a great many corporations, years after their creation, become public never having made a profit yet.

[KhunBENQ]

2 hours ago, morrobay said:

This 737 max is a different plane than the previous 737 , more powerful engines that pitched the nose up.

And this unusual mounting in front of the wing. Completely different balance.

Engine too big to be mounted on the existing 737 body as usual under the wings.

The engine was first used for the Airbus A320neo.

[Basil B]

4 hours ago, rooster59 said:

 

The grounding of the 737 MAX jets has had no immediate financial impact on airlines using the planes, but it will get painful for the industry the longer they do not fly, companies and analysts said on Friday.

Grounded airplanes, loosing $10,000's every day plus storage and on going maintenance costs, then when they do go back into service their will be a public confidence issue to overcome.

[Basil B]

16 minutes ago, car720 said:

The French are loving this.

As already stated the real problem problem is many companies are run by "Bean Counter" who no nothing about the companies products. 

[morrobay]

31 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

And this unusual mounting in front of the wing. Completely different balance.

Engine too big to be mounted on the existing 737 body as usual under the wings.

The engine was first used for the Airbus A320neo.

Good observation, from my reading the engines were installed forward of the old 737 again to compensate for the pitching up of nose. So yes the balance  was changed.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19373707

[Srikcir]

7 hours ago, rooster59 said:

flight 302 had an unusually high speed after take-off before the plane reported problems and asked permission to climb quickly.

In a hurry and in the process ignored some takeoff procedures?

Asking permission to climb quickly indicates a deviation in takeoff procedures. Why?

[lannarebirth]

10 hours ago, Srikcir said:

In a hurry and in the process ignored some takeoff procedures?

Asking permission to climb quickly indicates a deviation in takeoff procedures. Why?

When things are going wrong on an airplane, usually the first thing a pilot wants to do is climb higher in order to put more space between the plane and the ground while they work out the problem.

[sweatalot]

 

"This kind of investigation needs considerable amount of time to reach concrete conclusions".

but

"Boeing plans to release upgraded software for the 737 MAX in a week to 10 days"

 

probably they want the plane in the air again asap before anybody can be sure that the problem  is foun d

[lannarebirth]

47 minutes ago, sweatalot said:

 

"This kind of investigation needs considerable amount of time to reach concrete conclusions".

but

"Boeing plans to release upgraded software for the 737 MAX in a week to 10 days"

 

probably they want the plane in the air again asap before anybody can be sure that the problem  is foun d

 

In addition to software upgrades Boeing should install , as standard equipment, this $60,000 "option" that Southwest Airlines ordered for all its 737 Maxs.

 

https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-safety/southwest-airlines-is-adding-new-angle-of-attack-indicators-to-its-737-max-fleet/