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BANGKOK 21 May 2019 16:34
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For Thailand’s sake, let’s move beyond Thaksin

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Just now, OneMoreFarang said:

Is that what is happening?

Countries have interests, not friends.

It's easy to understand that lots of countries don't want to get involved in Thai politics. If they would arrest Thaksin maybe the current government would be happy - but even that is not sure. But if Thaksin and his cronies come back to power he will for sure retaliate. Nobody wants to get involved in this mess.

Correct, Eric likes to pretend countries care. They don't besides otherwise they might be at risk too. We all know how vindictive Thaksin is.

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6 minutes ago, monkfish said:

Yea sure Thaksin was convicted of "Conflict Of Interest" coz his wife bought some land at auction so yea that's similar to mass murder in it?

Yes, I almost forgot, Thaksin is also responsible for the murder of 2500 suspected drug dealers and users

Maybe you should educate yourself a little about all the ongoing court cases against Thaksin. He did a lot more than sign a paper for his wife.

But then again I don't expect that you will educate yourself. Staying ignorant makes it so much easier to support the fugitive criminal.

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It's worth noting that Thailand is not the only country in this region staring down a dead-end. Cambodia, Malaysia, Myanmar. One now needs to be a bit more imaginative to succeed than just being yet another Hun-Sen clone.

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6 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Yes, I almost forgot, Thaksin is also responsible for the murder of 2500 suspected drug dealers and users

Maybe you should educate yourself a little about all the ongoing court cases against Thaksin. He did a lot more than sign a paper for his wife.

But then again I don't expect that you will educate yourself. Staying ignorant makes it so much easier to support the fugitive criminal.

I don't think so was he found guilty for the murder of 2500 drug dealers?
Not even his worst enemies complain about that because the situation at the time was so bad.
The other cases will all eventually go away and by the way he was allowed to leave Thailand same as his sister was,

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29 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Yes, I almost forgot, Thaksin is also responsible for the murder of 2500 suspected drug dealers and users

Maybe you should educate yourself a little about all the ongoing court cases against Thaksin. He did a lot more than sign a paper for his wife.

But then again I don't expect that you will educate yourself. Staying ignorant makes it so much easier to support the fugitive criminal.

If you can put your obvious and inexplicable hatred for Taxin to one side, think of it this way:

 

The one thing that Thai politics lacks is democracy. Until it has true democracy it will never move forward. However democracy isn't perfect, you have to take the good with the bad. The American people elected a president who has corruptly enriched himself and is a blatant racist who has isolated America from the rest of the world. The American people's choice, up to them. The UK has voted to leave the EU, a move that could quite possibly bankrupt the country. Their choice, up to them.

 

The majority of Thais want Taxin in power, their choice, up to them. You may strongly disagree with their choice but that's democracy (and you don't get a vote anyway).

 

 

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2 minutes ago, monkfish said:

I don't think so was he found guilty for the murder of 2500 drug dealers?
Not even his worst enemies complain about that because the situation at the time was so bad.
The other cases will all eventually go away and by the way he was allowed to leave Thailand same as his sister was,

But is the situation really any better now? He basically encouraged certain people to shoot a whole load of minor dealers in the back because someone had been leading his son into trouble. Pure spite really. That also had the effect of preventing any investigation of much bigger and more important investors in narco-biz (who are heavily embedded in the local elite). All in all, a shoddy piece of politics.

 

Agreed, no one here really cares a toss about this issue. Likewise, they don't really care a toss about numerous other major Thaksin policy FUs: the deep South, to name just one.

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14 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Just so funny that you brought out Prawit. He was not even investigated; how so can he put on trial, See the irony. Don;t think so from you. 

 

We are already talking about an imaginary situation where Thaksin comes back, given his cowardice that wont happen, its as unlikely as the imaginary situation of putting Prawit on trial. So I don't really get it why is it strange to compare 2 imaginary situations that are really unlikely to happen.

 

You find it funny that i imagine that Prawit gets on trial but at the same time you imagine Thaksin to come back to face justice. Both things are real unlikely. That is why we are imagining it. Your imagination also lacks basis in the law as does mine. So why is it that what i imagine has to hold up to standards while your day dreams do not ? Bias maybe.

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3 minutes ago, Mexlark said:

But is the situation really any better now? He basically encouraged certain people to shoot a whole load of minor dealers in the back because someone had been leading his son into trouble.

And since he was deposed, the drug problem in Thailand has spiralled out of control. He did not one tenth of what Duterte has done and even with a free and fair election, he would be re-elected tomorrow.

 

Desperate times call for desperate measures. There's a lot to be said for popping a cap into the back of a drug dealer's head and asking questions later.

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10 minutes ago, Spidey said:

If you can put your obvious and inexplicable hatred for Taxin to one side, think of it this way:

 

The one thing that Thai politics lacks is democracy. Until it has true democracy it will never move forward. However democracy isn't perfect, you have to take the good with the bad. The American people elected a president who has corruptly enriched himself and is a blatant racist who has isolated America from the rest of the world. The American people's choice, up to them. The UK has voted to leave the EU, a move that could quite possibly bankrupt the country. Their choice, up to them.

 

The majority of Thais want Taxin in power, their choice, up to them. You may strongly disagree with their choice but that's democracy (and you don't get a vote anyway).

I get your point. But for me democracy is not in itself something holy which must be upheld no matter what.

Personally I like if a country has a capable and just government.

 

Do you think a democratically elected government which contains corrupt criminals is better than any other government only because they were democratically elected? Personally I don't think so.

The majority of people are uneducated and best case average intelligence and most of them don't understand what is happening - even if they would try to understand it.

If a political party would promise free handout and no taxes for everybody lots of people would vote for them. And then the people would be surprised that the state can't work without taxes.

 

We need a good government and at least I don't care if the stupid masses voted for it or not.

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8 minutes ago, Mexlark said:

But is the situation really any better now? He basically encouraged certain people to shoot a whole load of minor dealers in the back because someone had been leading his son into trouble. Pure spite really. That also had the effect of preventing any investigation of much bigger and more important investors in narco-biz (who are heavily embedded in the local elite). All in all, a shoddy piece of politics.

 

Agreed, no one here really cares a toss about this issue. Likewise, they don't really care a toss about numerous other major Thaksin policy FUs: the deep South, to name just one.

Do you think the drug dealers were not armed and didn't kill people?

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5 minutes ago, NCC1701A said:

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And somehow some people think they represent the poor. 555

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There probably is NO 'beyond Thaksin'. We're stuck with this motley crew, on a ship of fools, for eternity. The albatross never comes within shooting distance, and - in any case - there are no willing sharpshooters on board.

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