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BANGKOK 25 May 2019 12:41
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For Thailand’s sake, let’s move beyond Thaksin

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5 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It's always sad when people compare these cases. It's like comparing a mass murderer with a guy who hit someone once with a fist. Yes, they both did wrong but on a totally different scale.

Thaksin was not only super corrupt, he also didn't even try to hide it. I read the news every day when he was in power and I always thought: How can he get away with that, it's so obvious.

But, and yes a but. Thaksin was elected. Unlike this clown that thinks the country loves him. He is a bigger criminal in the eyes of many Thais. He overthrew a democratically elected government.

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11 minutes ago, Mexlark said:

But is the situation really any better now? He basically encouraged certain people to shoot a whole load of minor dealers in the back because someone had been leading his son into trouble. Pure spite really. That also had the effect of preventing any investigation of much bigger and more important investors in narco-biz (who are heavily embedded in the local elite). All in all, a shoddy piece of politics.

 

Agreed, no one here really cares a toss about this issue. Likewise, they don't really care a toss about numerous other major Thaksin policy FUs: the deep South, to name just one.

Not really spite but concern from the highest institution that drug was too rampant in a speech in 2002. The phrase 'war on drugs' was not coined by Thaksin. Even Privy council called for a special court to deal with drug dealers. That was the depth of the seriousness of drugs at that time. As you said. lets move on and beyond him. 

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2 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

We need a good government and at least I don't care if the stupid masses voted for it or not.

Well, the great US always tells us that the only way to attain good governance is through democracy. They have killed many thousands to prove that point. Are you saying it was all one big lie?

 

Personally, I would answer "yes" but this is Thailand, "stupid" Thai people's choice, not ours.

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7 hours ago, webfact said:

First, he was convicted of malfeasance while occupying the Prime Minister’s Office and sentenced to two years in jail by a democratic judicial system at a time when the country was under democratic rule. 

something is not right, this must be fake news!!!!  a democratic judicial system in Thailand?

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7 minutes ago, monkfish said:

Do you think the drug dealers were not armed and didn't kill people?

No.

Now look at the bigger picture. Why has nothing changed?

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4 hours ago, Lungstib said:

Being here for quite a few years before Thaksins rise to power it was quite obvious that Thailands politics was already a shambles. When Prem stood down there was instant corrupt activity, probably equal to that taking place when he was in power but now out in the open. Chatchai's buffet cabinet was infamous and illegal logging was so rampant it was depicted in a cartoon with a forest of tree stumps. That led us back to the military via Sunthorn and Suchinda. And that ended in violence and killings. The problem is and has always been that politicians have 'persuaded' police and justice officials to take sides and laws have simply been bent and broken. Then the military come back and it all goes underground by silencing the media, scaring the populous and stopping the scandals coming out. Thaksin just epitomises the political way, and now Prayuth the military way. Both use the lack of proper laws to try to get more for themselves and both have no love for the general public. Finding someone to vote for that cares for your ideas and opinions is the real problem for the students, farmers, factory workers and young entrepreneurs of today. Selflessly serving others doesn't appear to be a common trait.  

An after thought; Thaksin is just emulating the military, he wont give in. Just like they keep coming back albeit with different faces, father and now son.

reading your comments it confirms my suspicions Thais have it (corruption) in their DNA, only solution it's a general population Blood Cleansing / Blood Detoxification and (maybe) in the next 2-3 generations things will improve,

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3 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

IMHO if the perpetrators of the first coup had been executed for treason, (which is what a coup is all about,) and all the other coups then there would have been fewer coups and perhaps the Thai people would have had a functioning democracy now.

 

You might want to consider who many of those first coup plotters were. They were mainly (let's say for simplicity's sake) well-connected people who hadn't received the 'respect' they thought they were due under the 'new' regime. Nothing has changed that much since then. we're still stuck with a continual bunfight between well-connected factions.

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7 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

reading your comments it confirms my suspicions Thais have it (corruption) in their DNA, only solution it's a general population Blood Cleansing / Blood Detoxification and (maybe) in the next 2-3 generations things will improve,

The corruption DNA primarily comes from the Chinese DNA in their blood.

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Its so bad here, but most of us still choose to live here? A quandry.

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1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And somehow some people think they represent the poor. 555

The poor certainly believe it. He gave them their first sniff of political relevance

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4 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Beg to differ. Lots have changed since 1932 between the factions. The old coups were between old and new elites, generals and bureaucrats and the grassroots were passive. Now they found a voice and this fight will never be the same.

 

 

Except in the futility of the outcome....

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