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BANGKOK 25 May 2019 04:23
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For Thailand’s sake, let’s move beyond Thaksin

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6 hours ago, samsensam said:

 

absolutely, the system is rotten to the core.

 

over the weekend i mentioned the election to two friends, both told me vote buying was rampant - but not in every province, and i asked if they would accept the money - both said yes but also said they would not vote for the party that gave them the money - because they disagreed with corruption!

Accepting money to vote is the ideal way of putting the boot in on the party you dislike by voting for the party you support. Anyone who doesn't do that is a mug. I therefore don't see how vote buying can work.

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1 hour ago, billd766 said:

I disagree with you about Democracy and Thailand.

 

The Thai people have never had the opportunity to have a real go at Democracy. Every time the start down that road the military stage a coup and reset the clock going back to 1932.

 

In the last 87 years the military have staged 19 coups and 12 succeeded with 12 of them.

 

Now we have a completely unfair and dishonest election and the Army chief of staff is threatening yet another coup.

 

IMHO if the perpetrators of the first coup had been executed for treason, (which is what a coup is all about,) and all the other coups then there would have been fewer coups and perhaps the Thai people would have had a functioning democracy now.

 

That's because each of the so called 'democratic governments' voted into power were corrupt. 

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10 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Except in the futility of the outcome....

Some like you may hope that it’s just futility but history provide reasons to be hopeful when the grassroots have a cause and leaders. I am in that latter camp. 

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37 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

That's because each of the so called 'democratic governments' voted into power were corrupt. 

 

No, it's because the people of Thailand have been subjugated into thinking that some folk are inherently better or more entitled than others, and therefore deserve more or better things.

 

Nothing you or I can do will change a thing, Thais will have to change it or not, the responsibility is theirs, and my only job is to enjoy the weather and allow the drones at Immigration to continue feeling more important than me.

 

Can I have another beer please?

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Hank Gunn said:

"I know no safe depositary of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power." - Thomas Jefferson

Who didn't live in Thailand or among Thais.

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4 hours ago, JAG said:

I think you are wrong, for this very simple reason. Irrespective of the degree of corruption involved ( and personally I tend to the view that the current bunch are at least as bad, if not worse than the various Thaksin regimes); Thaksin's governments  were put into power by a free election, he used the ballot box to keep himself in power, and he was ejected from power by the military and the establishment they are beholden to when, on three occasions, he either had (once) won re-election or (twice) looked very much like doing so. By contrast the current regime seized power by a coup, in the middle of a disputed but entirely legal election. There is evidence that they were party to that disruption. They have kept office for longer than the period allowed for an elected government, and have maintained themselves in power, and surpressed opposition by force, threat of force, and various decrees. They have employed an appointed "rubber stamp" parliament to provide a veneer of legality to massive expenditure on projects which largely benefit themselves (the military) and those they serve, and have concerned themselves little with the needs of the general population. Finally, they have created and are currently presiding over an electoral system which is openly designed to ensure that any party or faction which wins a mandate (especially Thaksin's faction) is frustrated, the voters are cheated, and they retain power. Elements within their power group have made it quite clear if, unexpectedly, a government not to their liking emerges from this election, then they will stage another coup.

 

That is an infinitely greater degree of corruption.

Thank Buddha someone has some sense on this forum.

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8 minutes ago, Hank Gunn said:

"I know no safe depositary of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power." - Thomas Jefferson

Goodness, that quote from TJ is more than 200 years old and still hold true to this day. Now who is the numbnut who dispute that. 

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3 hours ago, robblok said:

I agree give him a trial again but for all his cases. Wanna bet he would be a too scared because we all know he is guilty for far more then just that case. The guy is so dirty and it can be proven. Not innocent not political (as in a made up case). So I would love a re trail for all his cases and him waiting it off in Thailand. This is as likely as the Prawit getting tried. They are on par both untouchable and dirty.

You miss the point. The Judiciary is no less dishonest and corrupt than anything else in Thailand. I have seen this working at first hand and I can tell you that there just isn't any way it will change without some serious bloodshed. In my opinion.

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1 hour ago, Pilotman said:

That's because each of the so called 'democratic governments' voted into power were corrupt. 

And so the corrupt Civil Servants kick out the corrupt Politicians and the endless cycle of corruption continues.

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53 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Goodness, that quote from TJ is more than 200 years old and still hold true to this day. Now who is the numbnut who dispute that. 

Exactly what happened in 1917. Thailand needs a couple of Lenins and Stalins to put power back into the hands of the people. Couple of million dead Thais but hey.

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14 minutes ago, robblok said:

The point is that Thaksin is as good as anyone in influencing the judiciary. He brought a cake box full of cash to them and then later said it was an accident. I guess only die hard Thaksin fans believe that one.(im amazed he was never convicted for it)  He was convicted while his party was in power during a democracy. He was dirty nothing more nothing less.

 

 

Well this is Thailand and donations are not unheard of.
But I do wonder if the current PM's wife bought some land if he would go to prison for it.
Somehow I don't think so.
 

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3 hours ago, Spidey said:

And since he was deposed, the drug problem in Thailand has spiralled out of control. He did not one tenth of what Duterte has done and even with a free and fair election, he would be re-elected tomorrow.

 

Desperate times call for desperate measures. There's a lot to be said for popping a cap into the back of a drug dealer's head and asking questions later.

 The year I came to Thailand (2003) 200 to 300 people were being killed monthly. I'm surprised someone didn't assassinate the sick bastard. Turned out a lot of these people had nothing to do with the drug trade. The big kingpin drug dealers just love this sort of rhetoric, the longer it keeps up the more money they'll keep on making. Duterte has made the meth makers rich by driving up the price while doing exactly zero about the supply. Nobody is going to tell the Chinese to stop supplying drugs to half the world especially third world mass murderers disguised as politicians.

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