Chomper Higgot Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 12 hours ago, roo860 said: If you want a firearm to commit a crime in the UK they are available, regardless of what laws there are in place. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/27/police-struggle-to-stop-flood-of-firearms-into-uk Sent from my SM-G920F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Correct. But if you’ve just had a row with your wife, there’s not likely to be a gun in the house. If you get into a road rage incident there’s not likely to be a gun in the glovebox. If the guy next to you at work gets fired on the spot he’s not likely to have a gun in the trunk of his car. The misfit kid in class isn’t likely to have access to guns at home. Fewer guns = reduced risk from guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, beechguy said: I'm amazed at the rocket scientists, that think banning firearms, especially the AR-15 types, is really a solution. As I already stated, some so stupid, they don't know the difference between semi-automatic, and automatic. In the U.S. the Navy Shipyard shooter didn't need a rifle, or even a semi-automatic firearm, he used a simple pump action shotgun, the Virginia Tech shooter didn't even use a rifle, he used two handguns. Timothy McVeigh said to hell with it, said I'm not wasting time, and used fertilizer to kill 168. The common problem is the criminal, not the tools used. Bottom line, I'm glad NZ is stuck with that PM, and not me. In the UK, pump action shotguns, all handguns and all semi automatic rifles are banned. Haven't had a mass shooting since the law was introduced. Several terrorist attacks in the UK, none used guns. Take guns away and people don't kill people with guns. Has saved many lives in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roo860 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 In the UK, pump action shotguns, all handguns and all semi automatic rifles are banned. Haven't had a mass shooting since the law was introduced. Several terrorist attacks in the UK, none used guns. Take guns away and people don't kill people with guns. Has saved many lives in the UK.In the U.K. you can own a pump action and semi automatic shotgun, the limit is 2 shells in the 'magazine', and one in the breach. Previously you could have 5 shells in the 'magazine'.Sent from my SM-G920F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 2 hours ago, beechguy said: Then don't buy one, and leave the rest of us alone. I wonder if they have even figured out, what the difference is between a semi-automatic firearm and automatic firearm that was reported earlier. Same for the shooting in the Netherlands. It’s not me I’m worried about; don’t own a gun, never owned a gun and no intention of ever doing so. Extremely draconian gun laws would make everyone safer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beechguy Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Spidey said: In the UK, pump action shotguns, all handguns and all semi automatic rifles are banned. Haven't had a mass shooting since the law was introduced. Several terrorist attacks in the UK, none used guns. Take guns away and people don't kill people with guns. Has saved many lives in the UK. Didn't stop anybody from getting blown up, or run over by a lorry though, did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beechguy Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Bluespunk said: It’s not me I’m worried about; don’t own a gun, never owned a gun and no intention of ever doing so. Extremely draconian gun laws would make everyone safer. And the same as to the other gentleman, it didn't stop bombs, trucks, etc. did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Leopard Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 19 hours ago, MalandLee said: I Understand and respect your POV Personally I see all guns as having ONE purpose - to KILL. I have no interest in the nonsense argument(s) "Sporting Shooters" etc.. etc.. In my opinion "The Gun" has no place in sport. My argument is about removing freedoms from a society that functions well, in response to an incident. The price of freedom sets a high bar. Those countries that enjoy a high level of freedom, have often paid a high price for it. You are wrong. I like shooting and hunting. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Same as they can use a knife, truck or bus. People do this. Do I agree with the banning of automatic and semi-automatic weapons then yes I do. These are for the battlefield only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 27 minutes ago, beechguy said: And the same as to the other gentleman, it didn't stop bombs, trucks, etc. did it. Fairly sure there are draconian laws governing bombs and the use of vehicles as weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beechguy Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 6 hours ago, Bluespunk said: Fairly sure there are draconian laws governing bombs and the use of vehicles as weapons. Yes, but doesn't stop them though, does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Dude Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Get used to western female leaders wearing head scarfs...only a matter of time so as not to offend the intolerant. Also, UN just appointed Iran to their women and children's rights council when Iran has laws that girls can be executed at the age of 9 and older. Says it all...coming to an area near you soon once the great replacement happens and you can read the book of the same name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 2 hours ago, beechguy said: Yes, but doesn't stop them though, does it. Well, every few months or so there are ‘incidents’ at US schools (the type where ‘thoughts and prayers are offered afterwards) where students (sometimes little kids) in particular end up dying and it ain’t bombs and cars the perps are using. Or it could just be pure coincidence that bombs aren’t being used! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 53 minutes ago, Sir Dude said: Get used to western female leaders wearing head scarfs...only a matter of time so as not to offend the intolerant. Also, UN just appointed Iran to their women and children's rights council when Iran has laws that girls can be executed at the age of 9 and older. Says it all...coming to an area near you soon once the great replacement happens and you can read the book of the same name. THE GREAT REPLACEMENT ???????? Oh Jesus, that is funny. Is that what the lads over a 8chan and in your prepper cabins in Idaho are calling it? I'm going to be using that one. I mean, paranoia or what? Absolute CLASSIC! Dum dum dum (scary music). THE GREAT REPLACEMENT IS COMING. I mean, the tough, rough and ready keyboard warriors, scared of a woman wearing a bit of cloth on her head cause it is culturally appropriate. I mean, its not as if a man would ever do that, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 9 hours ago, beechguy said: Didn't stop anybody from getting blown up, or run over by a lorry though, did it. It did prevent the loss of life being even greater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opl Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 " Speaking at a local election rally, Erdoğan said that Turkey will make Australian terrorist pay for what he did "one way or another." https://www.yenisafak.com/en/news/erdogan-to-nz-terrorist-we-will-make-you-pay-for-what-youve-done-if-nz-doesnt-3476940 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Dude Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Quote I mean, the tough, rough and ready keyboard warriors, scared of a woman wearing a bit of cloth on her head cause it is culturally appropriate. I mean, its not as if a man would ever do that, right? With an avatar such as yours and the clear ironically intolerant attitude to go with it that you display at the slightest post, it is easy to see where you are coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 3 hours ago, beechguy said: Yes, but doesn't stop them though, does it. Bombs are a rare occurrence in UK these days, not unheard of but not common. It is tragic when it happens, but thankfully it is not a regular occurrence. Using vehicles for a purpose not designed for is also rare, again not unheard and devastating when it happens I agree. Guns on the other hand are designed to kill and when used in terrorist actions are being used as designed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, Sir Dude said: With an avatar such as yours and the clear ironically intolerant attitude to go with it that you display at the slightest post, it is easy to see where you are coming from. Shall I REPLACE it for you, GREATLY ???? You blokes are a laugh a minute. Please, keep the doom and gloom one liners coming. I’ve got him up there because he is my favourite half backman who came second in the 2017 Norm Smith. So it’s been there a while. But please, feel free to continue to make any interpretations you feel necessary. They are hilarious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beechguy Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, samran said: Well, every few months or so there are ‘incidents’ at US schools (the type where ‘thoughts and prayers are offered afterwards) where students (sometimes little kids) in particular end up dying and it ain’t bombs and cars the perps are using. Or it could just be pure coincidence that bombs aren’t being used! There are laws about bringing firearms onto school property, didn't stop them. There are laws about ownership and possession of firearms by underage children, doesn't stop them. Most likely, several other laws are broken in the process. Do we need the laws, sure, we need a basis for prosecution, if the perpetrators don't manage to get themselves killed in the process. But as a deterrent, it doesn't seem to be doing the job. In the U.S. it's a problem of society, can't speak for other western countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravip Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Today Speaker Trevor Mallard was joined by faith leaders for the Speaker's procession to the House and for the Parliamentary Prayer, as Parliament pays its respects to the victims of the Christchurch mosque shootings. https://www.facebook.com/NZParliament/videos/2263470250637827/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 27 minutes ago, beechguy said: There are laws about bringing firearms onto school property, didn't stop them. There are laws about ownership and possession of firearms by underage children, doesn't stop them. Most likely, several other laws are broken in the process. Do we need the laws, sure, we need a basis for prosecution, if the perpetrators don't manage to get themselves killed in the process. But as a deterrent, it doesn't seem to be doing the job. In the U.S. it's a problem of society, can't speak for other western countries. All of the scenarios you quoted would never have occurred if there were no guns in private hands. Take the guns away and the shootings stop. The UK has proved that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roo860 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 All of the scenarios you quoted would never have occurred if there were no guns in private hands. Take the guns away and the shootings stop. The UK has proved that.So now there's no shootings in the UK?Sent from my SM-G920F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 You should have to prove the need to own a semi auto long gun just to make you feel big and bad doesent cut it the law needs the tools nessary to keep all guns away from unstable nut jobs and don’t worry gun nuts if the government wants your guns they will take them rember they have tanks planes ect ect your pop gun won’t stop them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Date Masamune Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Among two choices of banning all guns and not banning guns I’ll take the safer choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beechguy Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, Date Masamune said: Among two choices of banning all guns and not banning guns I’ll take the safer choice. The problem is, you will never get all of the guns off the streets. That's why the criminals have guns, no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beechguy Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Tug said: You should have to prove the need to own a semi auto long gun just to make you feel big and bad doesent cut it the law needs the tools nessary to keep all guns away from unstable nut jobs and don’t worry gun nuts if the government wants your guns they will take them rember they have tanks planes ect ect your pop gun won’t stop them In the U.S. it would be unconstitutional, many members of the military wouldn't enforce it, and so far the Taliban, ISIS still exist. Wishful thinking by a communist/socialist?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyezhov Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 47 minutes ago, beechguy said: Wishful thinking by a communist/socialist?? Maybe if NZ lawful gun owners responded with ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ and engaged in civil disobedience they might preserve some of their rights. Knee jerk solutions while the bodies are barely cold frequently are bad solutions. But hey its NZ, their country, their rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Shame, Shame, Shame Quote Fox News host: Now would be a good time to go buy another AR-15 rifle https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fox-news-host-now-would-be-a-good-time-to-go-buy-another-ar-15-rifle-2019-03-18?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 6 hours ago, beechguy said: The problem is, you will never get all of the guns off the streets. That's why the criminals have guns, no matter what. Completely untrue. Check out the UK. There are other countries besides the US. Very doable in NZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, Spidey said: Completely untrue. Check out the UK. There are other countries besides the US. Very doable in NZ. Criminals worldwide have access to guns, including the UK. But other than illegally smuggled weapons most of the criminals obtain their guns by way of theft from households and so on. Accordingly absolutely makes sense to ban semi auto & auto weapons being owned by the public. If people insist they wish to fire such weapons can't government pass legislation so they be rented for in premises use from highly secure gun range premises? Why US citizens insist on trying to have our societies awash with weapons, mirroring their culture, I do not understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, simple1 said: Criminals worldwide have access to guns, including the UK. But other than illegally smuggled weapons most of the criminals obtain their guns by way of theft from households and so on. Accordingly absolutely makes sense to ban semi auto & auto weapons being owned by the public. If people insist they wish to fire such weapons can't government pass legislation so they be rented for in premises use from highly secure gun range premises? Why US citizens insist on trying to have our societies awash with weapons, mirroring their culture, I do not understand. Prior to the change in gun laws in the UK, by far the most common route for guns to fall into the hands of criminals was as a result of burglaries on homes that legitimately held guns. Guns were removed from the homes of private citizens and the number of guns in the possession of criminals fell through the floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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