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New Zealand PM Ardern targets gun reform laws after weekend of mourning

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3 hours ago, beechguy said:

Yes, but doesn't stop them though, does it.

Bombs are a rare occurrence in UK these days, not unheard of but not common. It is tragic when it happens, but thankfully it is not a regular occurrence. 

 

Using vehicles for a purpose not designed for is also rare, again not unheard and devastating when it happens I agree.

 

Guns on the other hand are designed to kill and when used in terrorist actions are being used as designed.

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8 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

With an avatar such as yours and the clear ironically intolerant attitude to go with it that you display at the slightest post, it is easy to see where you are coming from. 

Shall I REPLACE it for you, GREATLY 🤣

 

You blokes are a laugh a minute. Please, keep the doom and gloom one liners coming. 

 

I’ve got him up there because he is my favourite half backman who came second in the 2017 Norm Smith. So it’s been there a while. 

 

But please, feel free to continue to make any interpretations you feel necessary. They are hilarious!  

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1 hour ago, samran said:

Well, every few months or so there are ‘incidents’ at US schools (the type where ‘thoughts and prayers are offered afterwards)  where students (sometimes little kids)  in particular end up dying and it ain’t bombs and cars the perps are using. 

 

Or it could just be pure coincidence that bombs aren’t being used! 

There are laws about bringing firearms onto school property, didn't stop them. There are laws about ownership and possession of firearms by underage children, doesn't stop them. Most likely, several other laws are broken in the process.

 

Do we need the laws, sure, we need a basis for prosecution, if the perpetrators don't manage to get themselves killed in the process. But as a deterrent, it doesn't seem to be doing the job. In the U.S. it's a problem of society, can't speak for other western countries.

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27 minutes ago, beechguy said:

There are laws about bringing firearms onto school property, didn't stop them. There are laws about ownership and possession of firearms by underage children, doesn't stop them. Most likely, several other laws are broken in the process.

 

Do we need the laws, sure, we need a basis for prosecution, if the perpetrators don't manage to get themselves killed in the process. But as a deterrent, it doesn't seem to be doing the job. In the U.S. it's a problem of society, can't speak for other western countries.

All of the scenarios you quoted would never have occurred if there were no guns in private hands.

 

Take the guns away and the shootings stop. The UK has proved that.

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All of the scenarios you quoted would never have occurred if there were no guns in private hands.
 
Take the guns away and the shootings stop. The UK has proved that.


So now there's no shootings in the UK?

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You should have to prove the need to own a semi auto long gun just to make you feel big and bad doesent cut it the law needs the tools nessary to keep all guns away from unstable nut jobs and don’t worry gun nuts if the government wants your guns they will take them rember they have tanks planes ect ect your pop gun won’t stop them

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Among two choices of banning all guns and not banning guns I’ll take the safer choice.

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13 minutes ago, Date Masamune said:

Among two choices of banning all guns and not banning guns I’ll take the safer choice.

The problem is, you will never get all of the guns off the streets. That's why the criminals have guns, no matter what.

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1 hour ago, Tug said:

You should have to prove the need to own a semi auto long gun just to make you feel big and bad doesent cut it the law needs the tools nessary to keep all guns away from unstable nut jobs and don’t worry gun nuts if the government wants your guns they will take them rember they have tanks planes ect ect your pop gun won’t stop them

In the U.S. it would be unconstitutional, many members of the military wouldn't enforce it, and so far the Taliban, ISIS still exist.

 

Wishful thinking by a communist/socialist??

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47 minutes ago, beechguy said:

Wishful thinking by a communist/socialist??

Maybe if NZ lawful gun owners responded with ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ and engaged in civil disobedience they might preserve some of their rights.

 

Knee jerk solutions while the bodies are barely cold frequently are bad solutions.

 

But hey its NZ, their country, their rules.

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6 hours ago, beechguy said:

The problem is, you will never get all of the guns off the streets. That's why the criminals have guns, no matter what.

Completely untrue. Check out the UK. There are other countries besides the US. Very doable in NZ.

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10 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Completely untrue. Check out the UK. There are other countries besides the US. Very doable in NZ.

Criminals worldwide have access to guns, including the UK. But other than illegally smuggled weapons most of the criminals obtain their guns by way of theft from households and so on. Accordingly absolutely makes sense to ban semi auto & auto weapons being owned by the public. If people insist they wish to fire such weapons can't government pass legislation so they be rented for in premises use from highly secure gun range premises? Why US citizens insist on trying to have our societies awash with weapons, mirroring their culture, I do not understand.

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1 minute ago, simple1 said:

Criminals worldwide have access to guns, including the UK. But other than illegally smuggled weapons most of the criminals obtain their guns by way of theft from households and so on. Accordingly absolutely makes sense to ban semi auto & auto weapons being owned by the public. If people insist they wish to fire such weapons can't government pass legislation so they be rented for in premises use from highly secure gun range premises? Why US citizens insist on trying to have our societies awash with weapons, mirroring their culture, I do not understand.

Prior to the change in gun laws in the UK, by far the most common route for guns to fall into the hands of criminals was as a result of burglaries on homes that legitimately held guns.

 

Guns were removed from the homes of private citizens and the number of guns in the possession of criminals fell through the floor.

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