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BANGKOK 22 May 2019 10:39
Gazza0308

Going back to australia to get your pension

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9 minutes ago, madmen said:

I think you still get if under 35 years but on a pro rata basis. A shithole? I rate it as The best country on the planet

ok .....  I think you maybe correct on the pro rata basis ..... so every year under 35 the entitled rate would go down.  I just think that two years is way too long to give up family & friends and an established life here in Thailand, and Australia is expensive .... try renting a 2 bedroom apartment or a house anywhere. Maybe a hotel, but two years in a hotel room  ???  no thanks.

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1 hour ago, scorecard said:

Thank you for all of that, I appreciate you sharing your knowledge and your offers of help / guidance.

 

The comprehensive comments and sharing I've picked up over the last 24 hrs (which I'm very thankful for) has given me quite an education on this whole subject.

 

One of the many key points is the confirmation that centrelink compares notes with the DVA. Meaning that if I did attempt the Age pension route then the first step would be the re-establishment of a home in OZ and be there for 2 years and they would reject my 'plan' because of the info. they would pick up from the DVA.

 

For the DVA Service Pension there is nearly 100% same requirement; return to OZ and actively re-establish a permanent home and be there for 2 years. The problem, for me, is that the DVA already have on record that I live permanently with my Thai son and his wife in Thailand and it's on DVA files that my son is my declared caregiver.

 

Therefore in the view of the DVA I have already stated that Thailand is my permanent home with substantive reasons (son is my caregiver) and any attempt now to actively re-establish a permanent home, even if bought a home etc., would be rejected by the DVA as 'proof' that I have re-established a permanent home in OZ.

 

Now to my ultimate point re trying the Age pension route (sorry this is so long winded) that would also not work because it seems to be well prove that the DVA and centrelink share information on cases like this.  Knocked out in one means knocked out in both.

 

Ultimately as LosLobo has wisely pointed out, I am very lucky to have a devoted family here in Thailand who spend a lot of time and energy and thought and love in my welfare and care.  

 

My son was brought up to think in western terms and also in the Thai / Asian ways and philosophies (my Thai wife / my son's mother, since sadly passed away), was a doctor of medicine, she came from a poor rural village, as a kid (before the internet etc.,) she found scholarships, grants etc., Thai and from offshore, to get herself through school and eventually a full scholarship to study medicine in Australia, then another scholarship in OZ to do her medical specialization and she returned to Thailand, (with English at pretty much native speaker level) with the aim of sharing her medical capabilities with the poor.

 

Whilst in Australia she was very observant / studied the Australian psyche, typical daily family and societal behaviors, attitudes values etc. She admired the classless society factor and she instilled this in our only son and it was obvious in her work, the way she interacted with patients, nurses, and all folks. 

 

It was her idea (which I readily supported), from day 1 that we only speak English at home (in Bkk) so that our son was fully immersed in both languages, and today he is a native speaker of Thai and English (and he instituted the same policy when his 1st child was born. Now all 3 of his kids speak both Thai and English at the same level and have no hesitation to use both languages).

 

Back to today, my son, with his Thai / Asian hat on, sees that taking care of me is his absolute responsibility, his duty and also he must do it because of his love for his father (his wife has the same thinking).

 

I did try earlier to mention to my son about the possibility of going back to OZ for 2 years. His response; he was horrified, in a nutshell 'no I have to take care of you because I love you and you are my responsibility'. all with tears in his eyes. Plus 'please forget that idea and please we don't want to talk about it again'. 

 

Yes I'm pretty lucky. 

 

 

I've noted comments from TV members that both OZ political parties are saying they will make substantial increases in many benefits if elected in the coming soon federal elections, from the dole to pensions and more. 

 

Does any member have anything to share please which gives more substantial details on these proposals, specific to pensions?  I am assuming that any lift in the OAP would flow through to the DVA service pension and the disability pension etc.

 

Thanks.

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@scorecard. Thanks for the wonderful background post. Yes you are a truly lucky man, though I suggest you have earned the 'luck'. I sincerely wish you a joy filled journey.

 

Peter

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5 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

I've noted comments from TV members that both OZ political parties are saying they will make substantial increases in many benefits if elected in the coming soon federal elections, from the dole to pensions and more. 

 

Does any member have anything to share please which gives more substantial details on these proposals, specific to pensions?  I am assuming that any lift in the OAP would flow through to the DVA service pension and the disability pension etc.

 

Thanks.

IMO any promises made by either party are questionable due to being reliant on minor parties to get any new tax legislation enacted. One hopes groups such as Clive Palmer don't get any seats. IMO Morrison govt would be less likely to budget for welfare increases, but one area may get up which is the NewStart allowance for the unemployed as currently it's a pittance.

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36 minutes ago, scorecard said:

I've noted comments from TV members that both OZ political parties are saying they will make substantial increases in many benefits if elected in the coming soon federal elections, from the dole to pensions and more. 

The only benefit where anything has been promised is Newstart (aka. the dole) and all that's been promised is "a review". Nothing else has been promised except a two-year, up to $1,000 "dental benefit", by Labor. Both sides have been silent on any increase to pensions.  There are no "substantial" increases to any benefits

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2 hours ago, ThaiBunny said:

The only benefit where anything has been promised is Newstart (aka. the dole) and all that's been promised is "a review". Nothing else has been promised except a two-year, up to $1,000 "dental benefit", by Labor. Both sides have been silent on any increase to pensions.  There are no "substantial" increases to any benefits

Another benefit, if you can call it that, is the Labor Party "Pensioner Guarantee" for Dividend Imputation Credits. 

 

Pensioners and allowance recipients will be protected from the abolition of cash refunds for excess dividend imputation ie franking credits, when the policy commences in July 2019.

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I've noted comments from TV members that both OZ political parties are saying they will make substantial increases in many benefits if elected in the coming soon federal elections, from the dole to pensions and more. 
 
Does any member have anything to share please which gives more substantial details on these proposals, specific to pensions?  I am assuming that any lift in the OAP would flow through to the DVA service pension and the disability pension etc.
 
Thanks.


Clive Palmer says he’ll increase the OAP by $150 !
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The ALP have “vowed” to raise the dole if elected.
Unions and the Australian Council of Social Service want a weekly $75 increase to the fortnightly Newstart rate.

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24 minutes ago, Nemises said:

The ALP have “vowed” to raise the dole if elected.
Unions and the Australian Council of Social Service want a weekly $75 increase to the fortnightly Newstart rate.

ALP have promised a review, god only knows how long to legislate the outcome. However, something is better than nothing, but even a $75 p.w. increase would not provide a viable livable welfare rate. I bet the majority on NewStart are working part time cash in hand to survive.

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