Australia cuts annual immigrant cap 15 percent, puts key cities off-limits to some

[digger70]

6 hours ago, Petchou said:

It's disturbing how descendants of people who have not been invited to that land, who commited crimes and genocide against the aboriginals, are today dictating who should be immigrant or not.

Are you for real ,Ain't you one of them? If Australia wasn't Invaded there would be nothing for the Abbo's to claim and to Bludge from the government  they would be still living in the bush and eating Grubs .????

[murraynz]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Agree. NZ does not have the infrastructure for the amount of immigration, and it should be limited if not stopped altogether till the infrastructure has improved. Not so long ago water restrictions were imposed because too many people have arrived. The housing/ rental prices are appalling now. The traffic is atrocious

At most, workers for the fruit industry allowed only during picking season.

As for the OP, why only 3 years? Should be permanent, unless they become citizens.

mostly correct here..far too many immigrants are being let into our very small country.

many dont event try to intergrate..there is already enough problems with the moaris...

the country is not as happy or friendly as people think.

thats why i like thailand==people happy and friendly-NOT STRESSED.

nz very expensive--huge pressures on young people to succeed in business, sport or anything else..

[samran]

6 minutes ago, murraynz said:

mostly correct here..far too many immigrants are being let into our very small country.

many dont event try to intergrate..there is already enough problems with the moaris...

the country is not as happy or friendly as people think.

thats why i like thailand==people happy and friendly-NOT STRESSED.

nz very expensive--huge pressures on young people to succeed in business, sport or anything else..

The Maori not integrating? You are having a laugh! 

[samran]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Agree. NZ does not have the infrastructure for the amount of immigration, and it should be limited if not stopped altogether till the infrastructure has improved. Not so long ago water restrictions were imposed because too many people have arrived. The housing/ rental prices are appalling now. The traffic is atrocious

At most, workers for the fruit industry allowed only during picking season.

As for the OP, why only 3 years? Should be permanent, unless they become citizens.

And at the other end of the spectrum you have Japan with a negative birth rate, negligible immigration and the economy effectively stagnant for the past 25 years.

 

The governtment  spending to build ‘make work’ infrastructure projects has sent the their debt to GDP ratio sky rocketing and that is just so they can tread water economically. 

 

There are no easy solutions. 

[Rimmer]

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[RJRS1301]

1 hour ago, PerkinsCuthbert said:

I'm interested to know what purpose you think that would serve?

Do not give him the satisfaction of giving him publicity, deny him the notoriety he craves.

 

[RJRS1301]

15 minutes ago, samran said:

The Maori not integrating? You are having a laugh! 

I think you will find that they as the first inhabitants remain very dispossessed and dissatisfied with their place in society 

[ParadiseLost]

2 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

2 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

I agree. Did Oswald's name spur a rash of presidential assassination attempts? Did Manson's name declare open season on celebrities? Sticking your head in the sand will only result in a beached brain.  

Precisely. The same could be said about mass killers like Hitler, Stalin, Chairman Mao - and. in fairness, a certain former warlord turned prophet.

Edited 2 hours ago by Krataiboy

One major difference - there was no social media to whip up angry mobs at short notice, no ability to incite hatred among the most vulnerable, gullible and least intelligent masses who are so easily led by the nose, following anonymous 'influencers' who would otherwise not have a soapbox to stand on.

 

Mass hysteria is quite easy to arrange today...

 

[RJRS1301]

30 minutes ago, digger70 said:

Are you for real ,Ain't you one of them? If Australia wasn't Invaded there would be nothing for the Abbo's to claim and to Bludge from the government  they would be still living in the bush and eating Grubs .????

Part of your post is really disgusting and shows racial bias, there are many educated Aboriginal leaders who in spite of enormous racial prejudice have achieved.

  

[ParadiseLost]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

Prime Minister Scott Morrison - who is trailing badly in the polls ahead of a federal election in May - hopes to tap into rising voter frustration over...

...these bloody foreigners coming into our cities. That is the domain of us native Australians! 

 

Today's Australian government reminds me of the South African government back in 1980, when similar speeches were made, only thinly disguising the racist nature of similar actions, designed to entrench white supremacist values.

 

The recent attack displays quite clearly how warped a view of reality one white Australian developed growing up, in a country which used to be measured by the warmth and openness of the people, not the dollar value of their houses in Sydney.

 

Hopefully one day the world will sit up and ask why a country as large as this can have such draconian immigration laws - there are only 25 million people.

 

And when the old argument about no water arises, what about Dubai? If BHP wasn't sucking billions out of the economy perhaps water schemes could change the face of Australia forever.

 

Not likely though as then it would not be white Anglo-Saxon nirvana anymore.

[from the home of CC]

5 minutes ago, ParadiseLost said:

One major difference - there was no social media to whip up angry mobs at short notice, no ability to incite hatred among the most vulnerable, gullible and least intelligent masses who are so easily led by the nose, following anonymous 'influencers' who would otherwise not had a soapbox to stand on.

 

Mass hysteria is quite easy to arrange today...

Hitler managed to 'whip up angry mobs at short notice' without the use of the book of face. Some of the folks who followed his hate weren't vulnerable or less intelligent, so I totally don't buy the difference. I don't believe that by keeping his name quiet that is going to somehow mitigate another crime. If you're off your rocker you're off your rocker, if it's not one thing it's going to be another that sets off the loony on these horrific escapades. IMO  Trying to limit legitimate news information from the public is foolishness on many levels and also arrogant.

[ParadiseLost]

4 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

Some of the folks who followed his hate weren't vulnerable or less intelligent,

No, but they were all most definitely intimidated, terrorised.

 

Nobody is putting a gun to the FB zombies, whatever you put in front of them is real, unless someone with more likes says it is not so...

 

I am curious - are you implying intelligent people followed Hitler? Look where that got them. No mate, anyone who admires a fascist is one themself.

[Krataiboy]

22 minutes ago, ParadiseLost said:

One major difference - there was no social media to whip up angry mobs at short notice, no ability to incite hatred among the most vulnerable, gullible and least intelligent masses who are so easily led by the nose, following anonymous 'influencers' who would otherwise not have a soapbox to stand on.

 

Mass hysteria is quite easy to arrange today...

 

So is mass, arbitrary censorship by social media giants like Facebook, Twitter and YouTube of conservative and so-called right wing contributors whose views run counter to the "official" narrative.

 

Here's an example of what I mean.

 

[from the home of CC]

25 minutes ago, ParadiseLost said:

No, but they were all most definitely intimidated, terrorised.

 

Nobody is putting a gun to the FB zombies, whatever you put in front of them is real, unless someone with more likes says it is not so...

 

I am curious - are you implying intelligent people followed Hitler? Look where that got them. No mate, anyone who admires a fascist is one themself.

No, I was responding to the notion that only 'least intelligent' people subscribe to hate. Many everyday Germans responded favorably to the rantings of that lunatic and I don't believe the German citizens were terrorized unless they were Jewish. Please, my father nearly died on a corvette escorting supplies to defeat that psychopathic meth head, no I don't admire mass murderers. But to tell me all the Germans who believed in him at the time were sub intelligent, that's impossible.

[ParadiseLost]

19 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

So is mass, arbitrary censorship by social media giants like Facebook, Twitter and YouTube of conservative and so-called right wing contributors whose views run counter to the "official" narrative.

That's okay by me when the official narrative is don't spread vicious lies and hate speech designed to poison the minds of ignorant social media lemmings, who would believe literally anything you serve them.

[RJRS1301]

1 minute ago, from the home of CC said:

No, I was responding to the notion that only 'least intelligent' people subscribe to hate. Many everyday Germans responded favorably to the rantings of that lunatic and I don't believe the German citizens were terrorized unless they were Jewish. Please, my father nearly died on a corvette escorting supplies to defeat that psychopathic meth head, no I don't admire mass murderers. But to tell me all the Germans who believed in him at the time were sub intelligent, that's impossible.

Unfortunately he was supported by some well qualified and intelligent persons, mostly because they subscribed to his ideas of nationalism, which in and of itself is NOT a bad thing, but in the hands of hateful people can be misused

[RJRS1301]

2 minutes ago, ParadiseLost said:

That's okay by me when the official narrative is don't spread vicious lies and hate speech designed to poison the minds of ignorant social media lemmings, who would believe literally anything you serve them.

and also intimidates and terrorises minority groups.

[ParadiseLost]

3 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

But to tell me all the Germans who believed in him at the time were sub intelligent, that's impossible.

Perhaps but they were not normal people, were they - a normal person would not subscribe to genocide and the dreams of an Aryan race ruling the world...

 

Sick minds hardly count as intelligent ones, by definition there is a flaw.

 

More likely similarly insane individuals followed Hitler, the rest were intimidated and acted in self-preservation.

[emptypockets]

7 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Hanson P will tell you plenty of jobs, people are just too lazy to work

And she's right

 

7 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Hanson P will tell you plenty of jobs, people are just too lazy to work

And she's right

[ParadiseLost]

6 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

and also intimidates and terrorises minority groups.

Funny how these minority groups are the most heavily armed and like to display kkk and other intimidating facist facades in spreading their 'free' speech. Who drove their car into a crowd, because he was angry oh boohoo nobody wants to listen to the smallest minority in the country - the inbred halfwits that like to believe they are the 'superior race' ROFL

[emptypockets]

4 hours ago, AJBangkok said:

I would like to know if Australia needs 160,000 more immigrants every year. why? 

To support an ageing population. 

[ParadiseLost]

15 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

Unfortunately he was supported by some well qualified and intelligent persons, mostly because they subscribed to his ideas of nationalism, which in and of itself is NOT a bad thing, but in the hands of hateful people can be misused

I grew up in a racist country; the cowardly scum who were the most racist also had the most to lose - the uneducated, low intelligence poor white man. The rednecks of SA.

 

To them the black man was a huge threat as he wanted to compete for the jobs the white government guaranteed all white men - low income civil service jobs, railways, police, army.

 

Fast forward and I see similarities with today's Australian government. Could it be so many South Africans migrated there they have brought their ideologies along with them?

[emptypockets]

4 hours ago, jesimps said:

Good onya blue! Maybe if the UK ever gets free of the awful socialist EU the Uk will do something similar. We really are an incredibly overcrowded country.

Have to take you word for it.  I live in Thailand. Maybe you should try it sometime. 

[emptypockets]

3 hours ago, simple1 said:

For a start 47k are partner visa allocation. Low birth rate, aging population, skills shortages, skilled migration increases government revenues, GDP and so on. Others say stop all migration - take your pick...

Bludgers who won't work because of too generous dole,  stupidly high minimum wage that cripples small business.... Want me to go on? 

[emptypockets]

1 hour ago, samran said:

The Maori not integrating? You are having a laugh! 

They integrated straight onto the social welfare no problem. 

[emptypockets]

1 hour ago, ParadiseLost said:

One major difference - there was no social media to whip up angry mobs at short notice, no ability to incite hatred among the most vulnerable, gullible and least intelligent masses who are so easily led by the nose, following anonymous 'influencers' who would otherwise not have a soapbox to stand on.

 

Mass hysteria is quite easy to arrange today...

 

Gee I hate that term the lefties use..... The most vulnerable...when they really mean the bludgers who are captive voters for them. 

[emptypockets]

1 hour ago, RJRS1301 said:

Part of your post is really disgusting and shows racial bias, there are many educated Aboriginal leaders who in spite of enormous racial prejudice have achieved.

  

And there as a great proportion who have not achieved bugger all as the money has been absorbed by the professional 'blacks '. Trust me I spent 10 years in Arnhemland 

 If you think Thailand is corrupt.... Try the aboriginal industry in Australia. 

[brokenbone]

2 hours ago, emptypockets said:

To support an ageing population. 

immigrants & refugees to western world is a financial burden that the tax payers and following generations get to pay,

that is why they are against it

[ParadiseLost]

13 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

immigrants & refugees to western world is a financial burden that the tax payers and following generations get to pay,

that is why they are against it

If the 1% were taxed on wealth instead of income, there would be more than enough to provide social services for everyone, with plenty left to improve infrastructure - which provides jobs for newly arrived migrants...

 

How about below 60k USD/GBP/EUR there is no income tax, would that not stimulate the economy?

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, car720 said:

nobody is even mentioning the fact that there are no jobs for citizens let alone anyone else and that is in the cities.  In the bush it is worse.  Where is the common sense.  They are not allowed to get the dole for four years.

I fail to understand why anyone is allowed to immigrate unless they have a job to go to ( and at same rate/ conditions as Australians ) and only if no Australians to do the job.

I was interested in moving to Canada to work in the 90s, and had a job lined up. Changed my mind when informed that I would lose the job if a Canadian was found to do that work, even after I had moved and started work!