evadgib Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 54 minutes ago, Basil B said: No it does not... EU Exit Day Amendment Share Division 394 27 March 2019 The House divided: Ayes: 441 Noes: 105 Question accordingly agreed to. Detail of the amendment: European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 (Exit Day) (Amendment) Regulations 2019 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2019/718/pdfs/uksi_20190718_en.pdf The 'Miller' route is nonetheless in the pipeline; Sauce for the Goose an' all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 1 hour ago, evadgib said: Covered by the Mogg today: He should get a better tailor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 48 minutes ago, evadgib said: The 'Miller' route is nonetheless in the pipeline; Sauce for the Goose an' all that. Sir Richard Aikens... As a confirmed Brexiteer he is hardly going to give an impartial opinion. ???? 66 years old, thats young for an appeals judge to retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 Thousands laid of due Brexit... Quote Jaguar Land Rover is to shut down production for a week because of uncertainties around Brexit. It will affect thousands of staff at Castle Bromwich, Solihull and Wolverhampton in the West Midlands, and Halewood on Merseyside, from Monday. The shutdown is in addition to a scheduled closure the following week for Easter. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-47845057 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 7 hours ago, nontabury said: My apologies for shortening your rant,but they do become boring after a time. Three points I would like to make. You ask who would we prefer to make the decision. Well 17.400.000+ British people did just that,in 2016. And then in 2017,when 83% of the British electorate voted for parties that included the clause that they would respect and abide by the people’s decision of 2016, to leave this so called union. But, as Rees-Mogg amongst other Brexiteers has now admitted, no one knew at those times how we would leave nor what our future relationship would be with the EU afterwards. That is what parliament cannot decide; so let the people do so. 7 hours ago, nontabury said: No one stated your Father MUST have fought for the Nazis.I simple asked the question, “which side did your father fight on” for which I received another holiday. So another play on words by you. The implication was clear; as I said to you at the time and you have not, until now, denied. Too little, too late. 7 hours ago, nontabury said: And as for your solution to this Parliamentary impas, it’s basically :- No, I suggest three options on an AV system; two of which are leave. So the odds on a leave option winning are 2/1 on, whilst the odds on the remain option winning are 2/1 against! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 6 hours ago, evadgib said: - We voted in 2016, a vote that has yet to be delivered and on which my view hasn't changed. - The Electorate voted to leave or remain full stop As I said to you in the post you quoted, and have said many times before, Leave meant many different things to many different people. How many voted for a no deal Brexit in which we would join Mauretania in trading only on WTO terms without any trade agreements with anyone; not even our biggest trading partner? How many voted to leave, but have a Swiss type of deal afterwards? How many voted for something in between those two extremes? Do you know? I don't. No one in the Leave campaign ever told us what leaving would actually mean. This is probably because, as Rees-Mogg has admitted, they had no idea at the time! 6 hours ago, evadgib said: Names & labels (Brexiteers? Unicorns?) appeared as sticks to beat the successful participants with as soon as the result was known. Maybe you didn't notice out there, but here in the UK the label Remoaner appeared at the same time as Brexiteer; if not before! 6 hours ago, evadgib said: - Two of your three options split the leave vote, providing unfair advantage if such folly gained traction. I thought you would have known how the alternative vote system works. A brief explanation. In this case, three options on the ballot paper: 1) Leave with May's deal. 2)Leave with no deal. 3) Cancel Article 50 and Remain. Each voter marks their first and second choice; leaving the third blank. In the first round of counting, only the first choices are counted. If any option receives 50% plus one of these that is declared the winner. If not, then the option with the fewest first choices is eliminated and the second choices on those papers allocated to the appropriate option. This gives the winner. So, unless the remain option receives more than 50% of the first choices it will lose. Unless it is a leave option which is eliminated after the first count and enough of those who voted for that option put remain as their second choice for it to win! How likely is that? As I said to nontabury; the odds on a leave option winning are 2/1 on, whilst the odds on the remain option winning are 2/1 against! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 5 hours ago, evadgib said: Well spotted 49 ???? (We had noticed too!) Is that the Royal we? Because if by 'we' you mean you and your fellow Brexiteers, it is obvious that many of them hadn't; including @Patriot1066 to whom I was responding after he claimed that her vote swung the result. It didn't; the votes of the two convicted felons, neither of whom should have been there in my opinion, cancelled each other out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemonjelly Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 The whole concept that something as important as British EU membership was put to referendum through a suburban mock-Tudor pub bore as is Nigel Farrage stirring up and exploiting the “I’m British and we won WW2” working class (who have the most to lose when car makers etc pull out of the UK) for his own glorification is ludicrous and should never been allowed to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcopops Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 It seems that Brexit has brought about another sort of exit.....that is by almost all of Britain's competent politicians on both sides of the house. UK now has the most incompetent government and parliament in its entire history. This is a bigger cockup than the loss of the American colonies or the Suez crisis........ more shameful than the British invention of concentration camps or the exit from India.....the world is aghast at our idiocy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 10 hours ago, 7by7 said: I thought you would have known how the alternative vote system works. Reply(s) appreciated. Rest assured I am up to speed but usually too lazy to bother tapping it out in clear ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 14 hours ago, Basil B said: Sir Richard Aikens... As a confirmed Brexiteer he is hardly going to give an impartial opinion. ???? Port wine & cherry preferred... (Sauce for the Goose!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 10 hours ago, 7by7 said: As I said to you in the post you quoted, and have said many times before, Leave meant many different things to many different people. How many voted for a no deal Brexit in which we would join Mauretania in trading only on WTO terms without any trade agreements with anyone; not even our biggest trading partner? How many voted to leave, but have a Swiss type of deal afterwards? How many voted for something in between those two extremes? Do you know? I don't. No one in the Leave campaign ever told us what leaving would actually mean. This is probably because, as Rees-Mogg has admitted, they had no idea at the time! Maybe you didn't notice out there, but here in the UK the label Remoaner appeared at the same time as Brexiteer; if not before! I thought you would have known how the alternative vote system works. A brief explanation. In this case, three options on the ballot paper: 1) Leave with May's deal. 2)Leave with no deal. 3) Cancel Article 50 and Remain. Each voter marks their first and second choice; leaving the third blank. In the first round of counting, only the first choices are counted. If any option receives 50% plus one of these that is declared the winner. If not, then the option with the fewest first choices is eliminated and the second choices on those papers allocated to the appropriate option. This gives the winner. So, unless the remain option receives more than 50% of the first choices it will lose. Unless it is a leave option which is eliminated after the first count and enough of those who voted for that option put remain as their second choice for it to win! How likely is that? As I said to nontabury; the odds on a leave option winning are 2/1 on, whilst the odds on the remain option winning are 2/1 against! I've pointed out a couple of times previously that one of the options is leave, and another is 'leave in name only'..... Hopefully, I won't have to do so again. The reasons why the eu/may agreement is so unpopular has also been spelt out on either this, or another thread - but you preferred to ignore those responses and continue pretending that nobody has pointed out that the problems..... Not least of which is that it would leave us tied (and paying) the eu until THEY decided that the backstop problems had been sorted to THEIR satisfaction.... Sorry to be a bit rude, but I'm also tired of this fiasco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damascase Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 Today’s cartoon in Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 1 hour ago, evadgib said: Reply(s) appreciated. Rest assured I am up to speed but usually too lazy to bother tapping it out in clear ???? 25 words per min? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 21 minutes ago, Basil B said: 25 words per min? That's about the speed I wade through 49's posts! ???? (22) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malagateddy Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 Port wine & cherry preferred... (Sauce for the Goose!)" They don't like it up them Mr.Mannering "[emoji6][emoji23][emoji6]Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 7 hours ago, evadgib said: That's about the speed I wade through 49's posts! ???? (22) CW is defunct anyway... Dah dit dah dit dah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetCowboy Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 15 hours ago, wilcopops said: It seems that Brexit has brought about another sort of exit.....that is by almost all of Britain's competent politicians on both sides of the house. UK now has the most incompetent government and parliament in its entire history. This is a bigger cockup than the loss of the American colonies or the Suez crisis........ more shameful than the British invention of concentration camps or the exit from India.....the world is aghast at our idiocy. It’s like Monty Python with consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 There are some sensible and courageous Brexiteers. Peter Osborne writes on OpenDemocracy; a very readable piece: “I was a strong Brexiteer. Now we must swallow our pride and think again. (...) Brexit has paralysed the system. It has turned Britain into a laughing stock. And it is certain to make us poorer and to lead to lower incomes and lost jobs. We Brexiteers would be wise to acknowledge all this. It’s past time we did. We need to acknowledge, too, that that we will never be forgiven if and when Brexit goes wrong. Future generations will look back at what we did and damn us.” Full text: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/i-was-strong-brexiteer-now-we-must-swallow-our-pride-and-think-again/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontabury Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said: There are some sensible and courageous Brexiteers. Peter Osborne writes on OpenDemocracy; a very readable piece: “I was a strong Brexiteer. Now we must swallow our pride and think again. (...) Brexit has paralysed the system. It has turned Britain into a laughing stock. And it is certain to make us poorer and to lead to lower incomes and lost jobs. We Brexiteers would be wise to acknowledge all this. It’s past time we did. We need to acknowledge, too, that that we will never be forgiven if and when Brexit goes wrong. Future generations will look back at what we did and damn us.” Full text: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/i-was-strong-brexiteer-now-we-must-swallow-our-pride-and-think-again/ If,is a very big word. Meanwhile on the other side of the coin. One of many:- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 26 minutes ago, nontabury said: If,is a very big word. Meanwhile on the other side of the coin. One of many:- 33 minutes ago, nontabury said: If,is a very big word. Meanwhile on the other side of the coin. One of many:- Brexit is now as solid as the sand on Pattaya Beach..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jip99 Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 19 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said: Brexit is now as solid as the sand on Pattaya Beach..... You must have a book of asinine phrases..........or do you just make them up as you go along? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 Breaking News......European Elections are on for the UK........YIPEE March 29th , April 12th , LEAVE , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jip99 said: You must have a book of asinine phrases..........or do you just make them up as you go along? Everything's made up that what the Buddha said or words to that affect. Thailand , UK , EU . The Queen all made up by folks at some time. Even your name is made up. Brexit another thing that is made up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 4 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said: Breaking News......European Elections are on for the UK........YIPEE March 29th , April 12th , LEAVE , Very drole indeed. Do you think the EU well be laughing if the UK have European elections? They are crapping it at the prospect. Bring it on I say as your avatar will be very apt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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