webfact Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 EU considers options for Brexit delay: May 7, year-end or open-ended, diplomats say European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, Britain's Prime Minister Theresa May, Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte, Belgium's Prime Minister Charles Michel and Britain's Permanent Representative to the EU Tim Barrow attend a European Union leaders summit in Brussels, Belgium March 21, 2019. REUTERS/Yves Herman BRUSSELS (Reuters) - European Union leaders were considering different options on delaying Brexit on Thursday, possibly until May 7, the end of the year or even leaving the date open for now, diplomatic sources said. The leaders started discussions on delaying Brexit after British Prime Minister Theresa May asked to postpone the current exit date of March 29 until the end of June. The summit's chairman wanted to delay until May 22 if the British parliament approved the EU-UK withdrawal deal next week. But France pushed back and the latest offer was until May 7th - whether the House of Commons approves the deal next week or not. It reflects the bloc's doubts that May will be able to get her deal through parliament before March 29. "This would just give us more time to prepare for a no-deal Brexit," one diplomat said. That option would include a deadline of April 11 for Britain to inform the bloc if it would hold European Parliament elections due on May 23-26. If the answer was positive, the bloc could then consider a longer Brexit delay. The EU is due to hold a big celebratory summit on May 9th in Sibiu, Romania, to chart its course for the future and does not want it to be overshadowed by Brexit. Others in the room proposed to leave the date open or go for a long delay until the end of this year straight away, the sources said, stressing that the leaders have not yet agreed a common position. (Reporting by Alastair Macdonald, Gabriela Baczynska, Jan Strupczewski; editing by Elizabeth Piper) -- © Copyright Reuters 2019-03-22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share Posted March 21, 2019 EU sets April 12 Brexit date if Britain fails to back deal By Gabriela Baczynska and William James European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker embraces Britain's Prime Minister Theresa May as they attend a European Union leaders summit in Brussels, Belgium March 21, 2019. Aris Oikonomou/Pool via REUTERS BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Britain could leave the European Union without a Brexit deal on April 12 if lawmakers fail next week to back Prime Minister Theresa May's agreement with Brussels, EU leaders said after a crisis summit in Brussels on Thursday. With just a week to go until Britain risks lurching out into legal limbo at midnight (2300 GMT) next Friday, EU leaders gave May an extra two months, until May 22, to leave if she wins next week's vote in parliament. But she failed to convince the other 27 that she would succeed, prompting a frantic seven hours of talks to find a way to get Britain out without seeming to push. The conclusion was a deal that suggested that Britain could, if May fails, come back and ask for a much longer delay. But this would be on the condition -- likely a major stumbling block -- that it takes part in elections to the new EU parliament on May 23. For it to do so, British election law says that would have to be announced six weeks beforehand, by April 12. If it does not call an EU election, Britain will be out. "The European Council agrees to an extension until 22 May 2019, provided the Withdrawal Agreement is approved by the House of Commons next week," the statement said. "If the Withdrawal Agreement is not approved by the House of Commons next week, the European Council agrees to an extension until 12 April 2019 and expects the United Kingdom to indicate a way forward before this date for consideration by the European Council." (Reporting by Robin Emmott, Gabriela Baczynska, Elizabeth Piper, Richard Lough, Anthony Deutsch, Philip Blenkinsop, Giulia Paravicini, William James, Thomas Escritt, Jan Strupczewski and Alastair Macdonald in Brussels and Guy Faulconbridge and Kylie MacLellan in London Writing by Alastair Macdonald, Jan Strupczewski and Elizabeth Piper; Editing by Kevin Liffey and Alastair Macdonald) -- © Copyright Reuters 2019-03-22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 All this is really transparent to anyone with with common sense and how the EU operate. It is all designed to get the UK either to revoke Article 50 or another referendum until they get the result right IMHO. The EU really seem to be disillusioned and think the UK will be happy to be hoodwinked into staying in the EU. They would have been better to stay friends and let the UK go on its way but due to the federalised mentality of these lot, they will never let people leave their club, without trying to do as much damage as possible. Regardless the UK people will never see the EU in the same way as they once did. That trust and alignment has gone forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sammieuk1 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Outsmarted by a Barnacle and shot down by a Junker???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z42 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 hours ago, webfact said: EU sets April 12 Brexit date if Britain fails to back deal By Gabriela Baczynska and William James European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker embraces Britain's Prime Minister Theresa May as they attend a European Union leaders summit in Brussels, Belgium March 21, 2019. Aris Oikonomou/Pool via REUTERS BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Britain could leave the European Union without a Brexit deal on April 12 if lawmakers fail next week to back Prime Minister Theresa May's agreement with Brussels, EU leaders said after a crisis summit in Brussels on Thursday. With just a week to go until Britain risks lurching out into legal limbo at midnight (2300 GMT) next Friday, EU leaders gave May an extra two months, until May 22, to leave if she wins next week's vote in parliament. But she failed to convince the other 27 that she would succeed, prompting a frantic seven hours of talks to find a way to get Britain out without seeming to push. The conclusion was a deal that suggested that Britain could, if May fails, come back and ask for a much longer delay. But this would be on the condition -- likely a major stumbling block -- that it takes part in elections to the new EU parliament on May 23. For it to do so, British election law says that would have to be announced six weeks beforehand, by April 12. If it does not call an EU election, Britain will be out. "The European Council agrees to an extension until 22 May 2019, provided the Withdrawal Agreement is approved by the House of Commons next week," the statement said. "If the Withdrawal Agreement is not approved by the House of Commons next week, the European Council agrees to an extension until 12 April 2019 and expects the United Kingdom to indicate a way forward before this date for consideration by the European Council." (Reporting by Robin Emmott, Gabriela Baczynska, Elizabeth Piper, Richard Lough, Anthony Deutsch, Philip Blenkinsop, Giulia Paravicini, William James, Thomas Escritt, Jan Strupczewski and Alastair Macdonald in Brussels and Guy Faulconbridge and Kylie MacLellan in London Writing by Alastair Macdonald, Jan Strupczewski and Elizabeth Piper; Editing by Kevin Liffey and Alastair Macdonald) -- © Copyright Reuters 2019-03-22 Blackmail, pure and simple. Why should the UK be over a barrell to back a deal that cedes pretty much everything to the EU and gives them no rights to engage in it. No deal exit, however tough it gets, should be the only way now. Enough. Pure farce and disgrace from all concerned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonymous Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 How about... END OF MAY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said: All this is really transparent to anyone with with common sense and how the EU operate. It is all designed to get the UK either to revoke Article 50 or another referendum until they get the result right IMHO. The EU really seem to be disillusioned and think the UK will be happy to be hoodwinked into staying in the EU. They would have been better to stay friends and let the UK go on its way but due to the federalised mentality of these lot, they will never let people leave their club, without trying to do as much damage as possible. Regardless the UK people will never see the EU in the same way as they once did. That trust and alignment has gone forever. Err most of us now know if they didn't before that leaving the EU would be economic suicide and madness of the highest order and just want the whole lot over and done with. Our parliamentarians will Revoke Article 50 and you can send your message if you so wish to the Farage rump party at the next election. That is if the Blessed Nigel can be bothered anymore which by the state of his 'epic' march he will find he is doing his hair or lauding it with Trump in the US. There will be no revolution of France style riots as we are British and we don't do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I am 70+, so far I don't have personally a problem with the E.U., since it existence. It seems, as yet, that the gross of the citizens of all the 27 E.U. countries either. 11+ million of the Brexit voters likewise. But 13+ million of the Brexit voters seems to have a/or more problems with the E.U.. That's 52% of the U.K. voters. Not enough for me to be convinced the E.U. is that bad. I would need concrete facts, which affect me personally, to change my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, beautifulthailand99 said: Err most of us now know if they didn't before that leaving the EU would be economic suicide and madness of the highest order and just want the whole lot over and done with. You still peddling that project fear. even the looney Mark Carney has changed his tune as record employment and businesses doing better than expected. You really should stop watching the BBC or reading the Guardian and Independent Newspapers. We have been hearing for 3 years how the UK would be in an economic. meltdown and still it isn't. When are you going to admit that that is not going to or has happened as continually predicted. 1 hour ago, beautifulthailand99 said: Our parliamentarians will Revoke Article 50 and you can send your message if you so wish to the Farage rump party at the next election. So wishful thinking. Is that an opinion or do you have evidence for this. Eventually the UK will leave the EU. Start to accept it. It is a shame that remainers lack vision, strength, passion and creativity to believe that if you are not in with the other 27 countries you are doomed. It shorts shortsightedness of the world, as it is a big place and the EU is not the worlds dominant force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 30 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: You still peddling that project fear. even the looney Mark Carney has changed his tune as record employment and businesses doing better than expected. You really should stop watching the BBC or reading the Guardian and Independent Newspapers. We have been hearing for 3 years how the UK would be in an economic. meltdown and still it isn't. When are you going to admit that that is not going to or has happened as continually predicted. So wishful thinking. Is that an opinion or do you have evidence for this. Eventually the UK will leave the EU. Start to accept it. It is a shame that remainers lack vision, strength, passion and creativity to believe that if you are not in with the other 27 countries you are doomed. It shorts shortsightedness of the world, as it is a big place and the EU is not the worlds dominant force. "You still peddling that project fear. even the looney Mark Carney has changed his tune as record employment and businesses doing better than expected. You really should stop watching the BBC or reading the Guardian and Independent Newspapers. We have been hearing for 3 years how the UK would be in an economic. meltdown and still it isn't. When are you going to admit that that is not going to or has happened as continually predicted" Mostly agree (but not with unemployment 'statistics' that have been manipulated beyond comprehension.....). Project fear is still in full swing, but this time directed at MPs who are fearful of losing their seats ????. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 minute ago, dick dasterdly said: Mostly agree (but not with unemployment 'statistics' that have been manipulated beyond comprehension.....). I will agree on the manipulation on this Dick but employment figures have been manipulated for years from Labour and Conservative governments. My point is that the millions who were going to lose their jobs straight after the referendum... well didn't. 3 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: Project fear is still in full swing, but this time directed at MPs who are fearful of losing their seats Exactly and they are no playing the victim card. It is going to be. an interesting GE when that ever will be, as I imagine that many will be given the resounding walk of shame, after the votes are presented to their constituents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damascase Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 3 hours ago, z42 said: Blackmail, pure and simple. Why should the UK be over a barrell to back a deal that cedes pretty much everything to the EU and gives them no rights to engage in it. No deal exit, however tough it gets, should be the only way now. Enough. Pure farce and disgrace from all concerned Why is this blackmail? It is the UK begging for more time, if May hadn’t done that the UK would be out next week. It is not the EU stopping the UK, but that doesn’t people stop from putting the blame on ‘Brussels’.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 minute ago, damascase said: Why is this blackmail? It is the UK begging for more time, if May hadn’t done that the UK would be out next week. It is not the EU stopping the UK, but that doesn’t people stop from putting the blame on ‘Brussels’.......... You misunderstand. We are blaming both the uk govt. and the eu for the non-existent 'negotiations'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damascase Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: You misunderstand. We are blaming both the uk govt. and the eu for the non-existent 'negotiations'! I don’t misunderstand - I react on somebody calling it blackmail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said: Err most of us now know if they didn't before that leaving the EU would be economic suicide and madness of the highest order and just want the whole lot over and done with. Our parliamentarians will Revoke Article 50 and you can send your message if you so wish to the Farage rump party at the next election. That is if the Blessed Nigel can be bothered anymore which by the state of his 'epic' march he will find he is doing his hair or lauding it with Trump in the US. There will be no revolution of France style riots as we are British and we don't do that. In your opinion, but not necessarily the majority of the UK people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 22 minutes ago, damascase said: Why is this blackmail? It is the UK begging for more time, if May hadn’t done that the UK would be out next week. It is not the EU stopping the UK, but that doesn’t people stop from putting the blame on ‘Brussels’.......... Then all the EU has to do is say to the UK, OK just go on 29th March and if you want to talk to the EU after that then give us a call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, billd766 said: Then all the EU has to do is say to the UK, OK just go on 29th March and if you want to talk to the EU after that then give us a call. The uk should have said that a long time ago..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 7 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said: All this is really transparent to anyone with with common sense and how the EU operate. It is all designed to get the UK either to revoke Article 50 or another referendum until they get the result right IMHO. The EU really seem to be disillusioned and think the UK will be happy to be hoodwinked into staying in the EU. They would have been better to stay friends and let the UK go on its way but due to the federalised mentality of these lot, they will never let people leave their club, without trying to do as much damage as possible. Regardless the UK people will never see the EU in the same way as they once did. That trust and alignment has gone forever. Unfortunately the facts are different. It is a deal between EU and UK. So it's hanging on your parliament to agree. Don't blame the EU for the misery of British views of treaties or agreements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damascase Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 hours ago, billd766 said: Then all the EU has to do is say to the UK, OK just go on 29th March and if you want to talk to the EU after that then give us a call. The EU doesn’t say - and has never said - that the UK cannot go. It is the UK that doesn’t seem to be ready to go. Why keep blaming the EU for this mess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 3 hours ago, billd766 said: Then all the EU has to do is say to the UK, OK just go on 29th March and if you want to talk to the EU after that then give us a call. You clearly haven’t understood the word blackmail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 The U.K. begging and begging. The E.U. to give in every time. Both must have their good reason. What the citizens of the E.U. & U.K. are thinking, or express their opinion about it, seems to be totally irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jip99 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, damascase said: The EU doesn’t say - and has never said - that the UK cannot go. It is the UK that doesn’t seem to be ready to go. Why keep blaming the EU for this mess? So you think the EU have helped . The UK Government’s performance has been pitiful, but I knowmanr Remain voters who would now vote Leave because they have been alienated by the bast4rds at the helm of the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damascase Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jip99 said: So you think the EU have helped . The UK Government’s performance has been pitiful, but I knowmanr Remain voters who would now vote Leave because they have been alienated by the bast4rds at the helm of the EU. 7 minutes ago, Jip99 said: So you think the EU have helped . The UK Government’s performance has been pitiful, but I knowmanr Remain voters who would now vote Leave because they have been alienated by the bast4rds at the helm of the EU. You are barking up the wrong tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuamRudy Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 10 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said: Regardless the UK people will never see the EU in the same way as they once did. That trust and alignment has gone forever. Are you sure that the UK en-mass is pointing the finger at the EU as the culprits here? I see very little evidence of a rising hostility against the EU, but many people seem to be questioning the intentions of those from the UK establishment who led us to this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jip99 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 41 minutes ago, RuamRudy said: Are you sure that the UK en-mass is pointing the finger at the EU as the culprits here? I see very little evidence of a rising hostility against the EU, but many people seem to be questioning the intentions of those from the UK establishment who led us to this point. Trust me, there is a rising ‘hostility’ towards the EU and it HAS turned Remain voters....... I would guess not enough to create a rebellion, but certainly enough to a make a second referendum very interesting. I fail to see how any self-respecting Brit could have any regard for the EU after the way they have treated the various representatives of the UK. The fact that the UK have made a complete balls up of the so-called negotiations does not exonerate the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jip99 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 56 minutes ago, damascase said: You are barking up the wrong tree. There is more than one tree to bark up.....I have as much contempt for the UK government as I do the autocratic EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arithai12 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I wish the EU would finally leave the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecoolfrog Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 12 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said: All this is really transparent to anyone with with common sense and how the EU operate. It is all designed to get the UK either to revoke Article 50 or another referendum until they get the result right IMHO. The EU really seem to be disillusioned and think the UK will be happy to be hoodwinked into staying in the EU. They would have been better to stay friends and let the UK go on its way but due to the federalised mentality of these lot, they will never let people leave their club, without trying to do as much damage as possible. Regardless the UK people will never see the EU in the same way as they once did. That trust and alignment has gone forever. The EU is getting the best deal it can , why wouldn't it ? Of course they have played hardball , those not in denial were well aware that they would. Those of you dismissing all warnings with the juvenile ' project fear ' response , have now had a big dose of reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecoolfrog Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 30 minutes ago, Jip99 said: Trust me, there is a rising ‘hostility’ towards the EU and it HAS turned Remain voters....... I would guess not enough to create a rebellion, but certainly enough to a make a second referendum very interesting. I fail to see how any self-respecting Brit could have any regard for the EU after the way they have treated the various representatives of the UK. The fact that the UK have made a complete balls up of the so-called negotiations does not exonerate the EU. Tough to negotiate when you hold such a weak hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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