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NanLaew

Acer running 8.1 - options to upgrade to 10 ?

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2 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

I always recommend that everyone have an external drive to use for backups.  The most flexible arrangement is to have a hard drive dock that can be used to convert almost any internal hard drive to a USB/eSATA/Thunderbolt connected external drive.

 

With an external drive the OP could replace the internal drive with an SSD, insert the old internal drive in the dock and then boot from it.  Then he could install the upgrade onto the clean internal SSD.  After completing the install copy over any applications and data files.  Test the new installation before you reformat the old hard drive and use it as a backup.

 

MSoft has a web page that may help --> LINK

 

 

Unnecessarily overcomplicated.

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On 3/24/2019 at 8:45 AM, Fat Prophet said:

I recently bought a 2 or 3 year old 2nd hand Asus computer for my daughter which came with Windows 8.1. Messages came that Windows would expire in April 2019, so I decided to replace/upgrade the 8.1. A company called Enterprise on Lazada sells the Windows 10 Pro key for about B100 + shipping. I ordered 2 keys and shipping was free -- B170 total for 2 keys. Can't get much cheaper than that!. I installed the 1st key on the computer with Windows 8.1. It took more than 1 hour to download Windows 10 Pro from the Store, but inputting the key was flawless, accepted by Microsoft without issue. I installed the second key on my other daughter's computer, also Asus, that had an unregistered clone copy of Windows 10 Pro. When I tried to register the key I got a message that this key had already been installed on another computer. I sent a screenshot of the message from Microsoft to Enterprise on Line, and they sent me a new key in 10 minutes. The second key was accepted without issues. That was 3 weeks ago. I got a message on Line over the weekend from Enterprise asking if my key and the Windows 10 Pro was working properly -- nice follow up by them. I highly recommend Enterprise for Windows keys. It just cannot get much easier and cheaper to get real/original installation keys for Microsoft products that this. FP 

Good tip for a key source, thanks.

 

On 3/24/2019 at 8:59 AM, ThaiBunny said:

In that scenario, will Microsoft regard it as an "upgrade" and therefore free? As I understand it their upgrade routine checks that Windows is already installed - if you replace the disk it won't be, and I'm not sure that model can fit two hard drives at once.  The upgrade routines often check that the hardware is essentially the same, and a hard disk replacement may not cut it.  As Fat Prophet says, a call to Microsoft is probably the least you can expect

I have come across software that invalidates licenses when significant hardware changes are detected. Adobe is one of them. But I don't think that HHd's or SSD's are mapped hardware in that regard. Mobo swaps might kill you though.

 

On 3/24/2019 at 1:24 PM, chrisinth said:

Yep, there are a few out there. I use EaseUS Todo PCTrans. I have a Pro version, but there is also a free version. The free version is restricted to moving 2 applications according to below, but I am not sure if this is per task. I can't see the program being voided after one transfer though. Even if it was, uninstall with a dedicated uninstall program (remove all registry entries and records of initial install) and reinstall it once more should work if you don't want to pay for the pro or tech versions.

 

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Note that you will still need the original keys for some software, some will retain registry activation information. So basically if you still have the software install packages and keys, it is probably easier to just do a new install anyway unless it is specialized software you are transferring.

I used to swear by EaseUs free disk cloning and partition management until about 3 months ago when I found their latest free version doesn't allow bootable or o/s partitions/drives to be cloned. When you try, the advice for you to buy the 'premium' version pops up. I went and dug out an older version and used that without issue to clone the o/s on and HDD to a separate SSD.

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34 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Good tip for a key source, thanks.

 

I have come across software that invalidates licenses when significant hardware changes are detected. Adobe is one of them. But I don't think that HHd's or SSD's are mapped hardware in that regard. Mobo swaps might kill you though.

 

I used to swear by EaseUs free disk cloning and partition management until about 3 months ago when I found their latest free version doesn't allow bootable or o/s partitions/drives to be cloned. When you try, the advice for you to buy the 'premium' version pops up. I went and dug out an older version and used that without issue to clone the o/s on and HDD to a separate SSD.

Yeah, I have seen that with a few other programs, reducing the options and 'forcing' the user to upgrade.

 

Always a good idea to keep the installs for the older versions..........:thumbsup:

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The niece says she tried W10 about 3 months but had 'issues' and rolled it back. Since she's an impoverished student, maybe she had a shonky upgrade? Since she's comfy with 8.1 and just wants things to 'go faster', I will clone the existing o/s to an SSD and see if that tickles her fancy.

 

Thanks for all the advise and comments so far.

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18 hours ago, NanLaew said:

The niece says she tried W10 about 3 months but had 'issues' and rolled it back. Since she's an impoverished student, maybe she had a shonky upgrade? Since she's comfy with 8.1 and just wants things to 'go faster', I will clone the existing o/s to an SSD and see if that tickles her fancy.

 

Thanks for all the advise and comments so far.

 

 

Issues are often related to upgrades and not clean installs. 

Your plan is to clone an non-activated install of Windows 8.1?? You don't see anything wrong with that plan?

 

I think shady86 told you what to do on the 22nd. Anything else you have been doing has been a total waste of time.

Fit SSD, clean install 10 Pro. Put old HDD into external caddy. Copy over wanted data from newly created external USB HDD.

You would have been done on the same day had you an SSD to hand.

700 baht for 120 GB SSD and a couple of hundred for the Windows key. Impoverished student's problem solved for under 1000 baht.

If you are the generous uncle, perhaps splash out on a 250 GB SSD.

 

 

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   The OP should before he tries to install Win 10 verify and check for his laptops compatibility of the installation.

   I also suggest that when upgrading an HDD that you externally format and clone the new drive first, then test it by booting externally before you install it in your lap. This will save you from extra work if a transfer problem occurs. 

   I used the free version of Macrium Reflect to clone my laptop drive to a Seagate SSHD Hybrid drive last month. As the 2 drives had different GB capacity the program allowed me to allocate the amount of space I wanted in each partition, then it transferred all the data from each partition to the new drive partitions. Easy to follow instructions.

   

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On 3/24/2019 at 1:26 AM, marcusarelus said:

 

That's not the same model.

 

I found a video for the right one though and it's less easy.

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On 3/29/2019 at 10:26 AM, JamJar said:

 

 

Issues are often related to upgrades and not clean installs. 

Your plan is to clone an non-activated install of Windows 8.1?? You don't see anything wrong with that plan?

 

I think shady86 told you what to do on the 22nd. Anything else you have been doing has been a total waste of time.

Fit SSD, clean install 10 Pro. Put old HDD into external caddy. Copy over wanted data from newly created external USB HDD.

You would have been done on the same day had you an SSD to hand.

700 baht for 120 GB SSD and a couple of hundred for the Windows key. Impoverished student's problem solved for under 1000 baht.

If you are the generous uncle, perhaps splash out on a 250 GB SSD.

 

 

Here's a refresher, just for you.

 

It's her laptop.

 

She prefers 8.1

 

I have spare SSD's already but not as big as the 500 Gb HDD that it would be replacing. If she's anything like her mum, believe me, she'd notice that.

 

And I aint her generous uncle.

 

I managed to activate 8.1 so maybe some time down the road she will get the 89 missing Windows security updates. My time is far too precious to watch the 8.1 version of the swirling paint-drying counter.

 

Installed AVG free and Malwarebytes free and did a backflush with CCleaner free. It may be a bit faster now that I have purged some Baidu and other dodgy extensions from her browsers. But in the end, it is that fustercluck called 8.1 that she's dealing with and wants to stay with.

 

Per the earlier post, the clamshell design makes for a more a time-consuming HDD/SSD swap (remove the keyboard for access from topsides!) and as for adding another 4Gb of RAM, that means removing the mobo as the memory slots are on the underside (!)... and there's no 'hatch' on the bottom case of this little beauty. That's why I backed out of the hardware changes since HDD and RAM would best need doing at the same time.

 

Getting back to my generosity, the original HDD is 500 Gb so an equivalent SSD is around 2000 baht and maybe 1000 baht for another 4Gb or RAM. I totally agree the W10 will make her happier but I am not about selling her something that comes with the unspoken lifetime warranty of the ill-conceived generous uncle.

 

Maybe easier if I try and get her a husband. She's just turned 22 (21 in real years), just graduated, a bit of a looker and can cook decent too. Lazy bugger though. And messy, like her mum.

 

..and her laptop's rubbish.

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On 3/29/2019 at 2:12 PM, tweedledee2 said:

   The OP should before he tries to install Win 10 verify and check for his laptops compatibility of the installation.

   I also suggest that when upgrading an HDD that you externally format and clone the new drive first, then test it by booting externally before you install it in your lap. This will save you from extra work if a transfer problem occurs. 

   I used the free version of Macrium Reflect to clone my laptop drive to a Seagate SSHD Hybrid drive last month. As the 2 drives had different GB capacity the program allowed me to allocate the amount of space I wanted in each partition, then it transferred all the data from each partition to the new drive partitions. Easy to follow instructions.

   

All good points. I have cloned maybe 2 dozen HD's over the years. My own laptop is on it's 4th clone/up since I got it. As mentioned earlier, this cheap clamshell style that Acer uses mandates that you should have a fail-safe clone/up. I still use an earlier version of EaseUs Partition Master which does the same as Macrium Reflect. As mentioned earlier, most of these good cloning utils have gotten smart to the huge amount of DIY upgraders and the cloning of boot or o/s partitions is only available in the paid versions.

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All good points. I have cloned maybe 2 dozen HD's over the years. My own laptop is on it's 4th clone/up since I got it. As mentioned earlier, this cheap clamshell style that Acer uses mandates that you should have a fail-safe clone/up. I still use an earlier version of EaseUs Partition Master which does the same as Macrium Reflect. As mentioned earlier, most of these good cloning utils have gotten smart to the huge amount of DIY upgraders and the cloning of boot or o/s partitions is only available in the paid versions.
Which version of Easeus, please? I might be able to find it on filehippo, oldversiob or similar

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1 hour ago, JaiMaai said:

Which version of Easeus, please? I might be able to find it on filehippo, oldversiob or similar

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The latest version is v13. I think v10 will give you the works for free. I know v12 asks you to pay for cloning o/s partitions.

 

It's all on filehippo as you suggest.

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