Abhisit urges voters to opt for democracy with ‘integrity’

[ThaiBunny]

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Except in normal countries criminals are not allowed to run. And people wouldn't vote for criminals.

But in Thailand they vote for criminals and then they are surprised that they have an incompetent corrupt government full of criminals. One would think it's not so difficult to see the connection there. But then again, this is Thailand...

A criminal is generally thought to be someone who's been convicted of a crime

[GalaxyMan]

Abhisit urges voters to opt for democracy with ‘integrity’

 

Sort of leaves him out, I'd say.

[Eric Loh]

17 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Except in normal countries criminals are not allowed to run. And people wouldn't vote for criminals.

But in Thailand they vote for criminals and then they are surprised that they have an incompetent corrupt government full of criminals. One would think it's not so difficult to see the connection there. But then again, this is Thailand...

That will rule out the criminal generals from running the election; seizing power from an elected government, 

[ThaiBunny]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

That will rule out the criminal generals from running the election; seizing power from an elected government, 

A court has convicted them of that crime has it?

[thaiguzzi]

24 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Except in normal countries criminals are not allowed to run. And people wouldn't vote for criminals.

But in Thailand they vote for criminals and then they are surprised that they have an incompetent corrupt government full of criminals.

Well described analysis of Suthep's government with Abhisit as the puppet leader.

Thanx.

[sweatalot]

32 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

But in Thailand things are obviously different. People vote again and again for the same criminals, or maybe their family members, and somehow Thai voters expect a competent and honest government - full of criminals which they voted for. Amazing Thailand!

they expect their share of the stolen money

[thaiguzzi]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I also saw the peaceful yellow-shirts demonstrating and I saw Suthep's crowd every day.

Did you also see them physically stop people from legally voting at ballot boxes?

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

How about you?

I saw the families in the villages with loved ones who never returned.

The missing.

The broken.

The downtrodden.

The hundreds who never returned (don't believe the media or anyone who tells you 70 odd were killed).

The people of all age groups with hopes and wishes shattered.

That perhaps, one day, this day, their lot was finally going to be heard and get better.

That their voice was just as powerful and important as the Elite's in Bangkok.

That justice would finally be equal and served.

Has'nt happened yet, don't know if it will in my lifetime, but one can hope.

 

[Eric Loh]

12 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said:

A court has convicted them of that crime has it?

Convicted by the people’s court. 

 

[jayboy]

A court has convicted them of that crime has it?

No, they awarded themselves a pardon for what would in most countries would be seen as high treason, a capital offence.

In any case the Courts and other agencies of government generally do what they are expected to do, whether dissolving a party -perceived as a threat - for trumped up reasons or finding the Junta leader innocent of illegal electioneering.


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[OneMoreFarang]

26 minutes ago, thaiguzzi said:

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I also saw the peaceful yellow-shirts demonstrating and I saw Suthep's crowd every day.

Did you also see them physically stop people from legally voting at ballot boxes?

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

How about you?

I saw the families in the villages with loved ones who never returned.

The missing.

The broken.

The downtrodden.

The hundreds who never returned (don't believe the media or anyone who tells you 70 odd were killed).

The people of all age groups with hopes and wishes shattered.

That perhaps, one day, this day, their lot was finally going to be heard and get better.

That their voice was just as powerful and important as the Elite's in Bangkok.

That justice would finally be equal and served.

Has'nt happened yet, don't know if it will in my lifetime, but one can hope.

So you know personally about "The hundreds who never returned", correct?

It's more than extreme unlikely that you knew these people or even knew people who knew them.

That means you read or heard this somewhere and you think it's the truth.

 

Now where would you get information like that from? And what other lies did they spread? Sorry, no points for the correct answer. I find it always sad when people shoot themselves into their feet with outrageous misinformation like above.

[Reigntax]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Except in normal countries criminals are not allowed to run. And people wouldn't vote for criminals.

But in Thailand they vote for criminals and then they are surprised that they have an incompetent corrupt government full of criminals. One would think it's not so difficult to see the connection there. But then again, this is Thailand...

Thailand can't be considered a normal country otherwise the leaders of the current military would be facing the noose. And deservedly so.

 

The greatest of those with criminal intent have been running the country for the last 5 years backed by certain sections of the Thai population who believe they are more important than the majority.

 

It is Asia. Every asean country operates by kick backs, commissions and under the table payments.

Whether that is corruption or whether that be acceptable business practice is up to the people and lawmakers. What westerners consider acceptable shouldn't be the standard to measure against, whether right or wrong.

 

Just as we don't judge religious practice and preaching against other religions and more specifcally proven scientific inconsistencies, we probably dont have the rights to preach on the ethics or integrity of a preferred politician.

 

If politicians are supposed to be representative of the people and some consider them corrupt against a subjective standard,maybe we should conclude they do represent the people. Too well!! 

[OneMoreFarang]

30 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Convicted by the people’s court. 

Are these the same people who believe all the lies which they hear and read?

How many of the people who think someone should be convicted know the truth?

How many of them even want to know the truth?

And how many just repeat what some others tell them?

 

I remember once I tried to argue with a red-shirt. I asked her if she doesn't care that Thaksin is super-rich and that he is obviously corrupt and stole a lot of that money from the Thai people. Her answer: "Abhisit is richer. Thaksin is not corrupt." You can't argue with people like that.

[OneMoreFarang]

4 minutes ago, Reigntax said:

Thailand can't be considered a normal country otherwise the leaders of the current military would be facing the noose. And deservedly so.

 

The greatest of those with criminal intent have been running the country for the last 5 years backed by certain sections of the Thai population who believe they are more important than the majority.

 

It is Asia. Every asean country operates by kick backs, commissions and under the table payments.

Whether that is corruption or whether that be acceptable business practice is up to the people and lawmakers. What westerners consider acceptable shouldn't be the standard to measure against, whether right or wrong.

 

Just as we don't judge religious practice and preaching against other religions and more specifcally proven scientific inconsistencies, we probably dont have the rights to preach on the ethics or integrity of a preferred politician.

 

If politicians are supposed to be representative of the people and some consider them corrupt against a subjective standard,maybe we should conclude they do represent the people. Too well!! 

Summary: You think your criminals are better than my criminals because somehow their crimes are not really crimes because that is tradition in Asia. Yeah, sure, you totally convinced me.

[Reigntax]

3 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Are these the same people who believe all the lies which they hear and read?

How many of the people who think someone should be convicted know the truth?

How many of them even want to know the truth?

And how many just repeat what some others tell them?

 

I remember once I tried to argue with a red-shirt. I asked her if she doesn't care that Thaksin is super-rich and that he is obviously corrupt and stole a lot of that money from the Thai people. Her answer: "Abhisit is richer. Thaksin is not corrupt." You can't argue with people like that.

 

"Thaksin is super-rich and that he is obviously corrupt and stole a lot of that money from the Thai people"

 

You should back up such a statement with facts just not rhetoric.

 

"Are these the same people who believe all the lies which they hear and read?"

 

I believe you are doing the exact same. It's called hyprocracy. Usually caused by those who believe all they read in complete isolation of historical facts.

 

It Thaksin is the root of all Thai evil perhaps you could explain to us uneducated lot the previous 50 years pre Thaksin and who was at fault. 

 

I'm sure we will all wait in anticipation.

[Reigntax]

11 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Summary: You think your criminals are better than my criminals because somehow their crimes are not really crimes because that is tradition in Asia. Yeah, sure, you totally convinced me.

You clearly don't seem to be able to understand what you read. They are neither mine or yours.

 

I don't need to try to convince you just as I don't intend to change Asean ways.

 

You opinion and mine are both insignificant. Yours may just be slightly more.

[chickenslegs]

7 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Abhisit also added that he will not tell the media which parties the Democrats would ally with to form the next government ...

Integrity

[GalaxyMan]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Convicted by the people’s court. 

 

Pardoned by the King.

[OneMoreFarang]

18 minutes ago, Reigntax said:

"Thaksin is super-rich and that he is obviously corrupt and stole a lot of that money from the Thai people"

 

You should back up such a statement with facts just not rhetoric.

 

"Are these the same people who believe all the lies which they hear and read?"

 

I believe you are doing the exact same. It's called hyprocracy. Usually caused by those who believe all they read in complete isolation of historical facts.

 

It Thaksin is the root of all Thai evil perhaps you could explain to us uneducated lot the previous 50 years pre Thaksin and who was at fault. 

 

I'm sure we will all wait in anticipation.

I followed the news since before Thaksin was elected and before he made all those not so honest mistakes. Did you ever hear about those mistakes? Did you ever hear about all the court cases against him? Did you somehow miss all his corrupt activities which he didn't even try to hide?

I am not sure if they reported all these things on Truth TV and probably it was not mentioned in the weekly red-shit meetings. But then again people who get their news from propaganda outlets should not be surprised if they miss the real news.

I won't wait in anticipation for an answer from you. You need lots of time to follow up on all the news you missed in the last decades. Please try to be better informed before you continue to show us your not existing knowledge.

[Eric Loh]

45 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I followed the news since before Thaksin was elected and before he made all those not so honest mistakes. Did you ever hear about those mistakes? Did you ever hear about all the court cases against him? Did you somehow miss all his corrupt activities which he didn't even try to hide?

I am not sure if they reported all these things on Truth TV and probably it was not mentioned in the weekly red-shit meetings. But then again people who get their news from propaganda outlets should not be surprised if they miss the real news.

I won't wait in anticipation for an answer from you. You need lots of time to follow up on all the news you missed in the last decades. Please try to be better informed before you continue to show us your not existing knowledge.

You have not answer Reigntax adequately especially the last para. You don’t come across as someone who knows a lot about Thailand politics and the struggle against continue military and establishment dominance and their introcities against their own people. 

[nong38]

8 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Abhisit is smart, educated and honest - it seems these are all the things the typical Thai voters don't want.

Sadly you are right on the money.

[thaiguzzi]

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

So you know personally about "The hundreds who never returned", correct?

It's more than extreme unlikely that you knew these people or even knew people who knew them.

That means you read or heard this somewhere and you think it's the truth.

 

Now where would you get information like that from? And what other lies did they spread? Sorry, no points for the correct answer. I find it always sad when people shoot themselves into their feet with outrageous misinformation like above.

Come up here.

I'll introduce you to them myself.

Real people.

The atrocities were appalling.

Typical BKK city dweller response - i did'nt see it with my own eyes so it did'nt happen.

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Did you also see them physically stop people from legally voting at ballot boxes?

Of course.

Live on television.

Photos and reports in the newspapers.

Did'nt you?

Or do you only "see" what you wish to "see".

[thaiguzzi]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

You have not answer Reigntax adequately especially the last para. You don’t come across as someone who knows a lot about Thailand politics and the struggle against continue military and establishment dominance and their introcities against their own people. 

It seems he knows very little about this country's politics and how they work.

Needs to catch up a bit, perhaps reading just some of the books out there, that you cannot buy in country, may help his poor blinkered opinion on the wonderful elite and that very naughty boy Thaksin.

Prolly been influenced by co-workers in his air conditioned Yellow Office...

[Caldera]

9 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Abhisit is smart, educated and honest - it seems these are all the things the typical Thai voters don't want.

He might be all of that, but that he allowed a thug to be his deputy when he was PM does make me wonder if he has the integrity he's talking about. It's easy to cultivate a clean and honest image of yourself if you have such a sidekick to do your dirty deeds.

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, thaiguzzi said:

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Did you also see them physically stop people from legally voting at ballot boxes?

Of course.

Live on television.

Photos and reports in the newspapers.

Did'nt you?

Or do you only "see" what you wish to "see".

Please be so fair and only quote what people actually wrote or said. The above quote, which you claim is from me, is not from me. I never wrote about that. When I look back at the original post this is your own questions.

 

I know that people were stopped from voting - it was all over the news. But like so often sometimes the truth is not good enough. It must be the whole truth to make sense. Lots of intimidation by the red-shirts was also part of the whole truth.

[chainarong]

It's all very well putting integrity with Democracy, however, whilst the military have their nose in the pork barrel, there's no hope of integrity nor Democracy.

[OneMoreFarang]

1 minute ago, chainarong said:

It's all very well putting integrity with Democracy, however, whilst the military have their nose in the pork barrel, there's no hope of integrity nor Democracy.

Is it any better when so called democratically elected politicians have their nose in the pork barrel?

[phantomfiddler]

11 hours ago, Lungstib said:

What would Abhisit know about democracy or integrity? Past experience showed he valued neither of them.

Sorry but only one word applies here....... Nonsense !

[phantomfiddler]

11 hours ago, YetAnother said:

he doesnt and wont have the power to do that

Alas I fear you are correct, but he is the only candidate who has any real interpretation of democracy, and also has the highest moral standards ????

[pornprong]

1 minute ago, phantomfiddler said:

Alas I fear you are correct, but he is the only candidate who has any real interpretation of democracy, and also has the highest moral standards ????

Why has he then twice boycotted elections in favour of military coups?

 

https://qz.com/155426/thailands-democrat-party-is-not-so-keen-on-the-whole-democracy-thing/ 

[geoffbezoz]

22 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And who paid those people to protest so that he could get "his" money back?

The red shirts had war weapons, grenades, etc. and they had the MiB in the middle of them. Any peaceful protesters could have left anytime. The radicals who stayed knew what was coming. They took the risk to die for their super rich corrupt hero. And let's not forget the families of the protesting red shirts who died received many millions each.

 

Abhisit ordered to clean up the streets. That should have been a police job but the tomato police did as usual nothing. The only mistake Abhisit made was that he waited too long.

 

But obviously the red shirts don't want to see the reality that happened. The believe the same lies from Thaksin, Jatuporn, Nattawut, and all the others. Intelligent people don't behave like that...

By your delusional reply you , and others, are clearly condoning the murder of an unarmed nurse in a Wat. Sad and sick just like the people you espouse support for.