domdom Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Hello We live in a condo which has only 20 units.. Management is a chaos and it is already the 5th juristic manager in few years, either money missing, either too lazy to do anything.. Would anybody be able to recomend a honest and competent juristic manager ?? There is another small condo of 20 units which has the same Juristic as us, so in total would be 2 condos to rule.. Very few things to do.. pay the monthly bills (electricity and water and J M fees mainly) call for expenses 2 a year, organize QGM once a year, organize small maintenance job (approximately 3 to 5 operations per year) Thanks in advance.. Have a nice sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 JPM has to be a Thai national as foreigners are not allowed to be one without WP and they dont give WP for this job, inherently, Thais in these positions are tend to be just that lazy and dishonest as these jobs don't pay much but carry a lot of responsibilities, not all though, also, the condo committee has to approve the appointment of jus person... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 IMHO the OP is using an oxymoron in the thread title. The challenge is to find a juristic manager who is less venal than the existing one. Ah, the joys of "ownership" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domdom Posted March 24, 2019 Author Share Posted March 24, 2019 Hello I know the rules.. Reco is needed, if possible (even if I know, what we are looking for is difficult to find).. no juridical or philosophical comments.. Have a nice day.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 I live in View Talay 2A which has it's own issues - but the sister block View Talay2b uses some firm called QPM who they are very pleased with. https://www.qpm.co.th/main/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domdom Posted March 24, 2019 Author Share Posted March 24, 2019 Thanks a lot.. Will have a look.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenKong Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 QPM is a management company. As part of its managerial service is also performs the job of Juristic Person Manager which it includes in the monthly fee. This is a fairly common thing with management companies. A building with only 20 units doesnt really need a management company as such (not least because the cost would probably be prohibitive) and so I would expect a member of the committee or some other co-owner to do the job of JPM for free, perhaps with the help of whatever sort of building manager the building has. More detail is needed about the number of staff and the annual budget to make a sensible suggestion. No harm asking a management company for a quote, of course. I also know of buildings that have a building manager and also pay an outside individual to act as JPM, and there are some people who do this for several buildings thus making it a full-time job. One thing that is for sure: whoever does the job of JPM the finances will still need to be published and checked regularly and in detail by one or more co-owners. If that doesnt happen then money will surely get "lost". Trust no one. The issue of whether a farang JPM needs to have a work permit keeps coming up again and again and I have heard every possible answer to the question, with none of the answers sounding particularly definitive. If a salary is being paid then obviously a work permit would be required for a farang. If no salary is being paid I see less reason why a farang should not do it, apart from the fact that an ability to read and write Thai would seem to be highly desirable. I personally would not be very happy to sign legal documents that I didnt understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domdom Posted March 25, 2019 Author Share Posted March 25, 2019 Hello 15 years ago the manager was a thai doing it with the help of farang husband.. he was arrested one day and it took nearly 3 years for him to be cleared by a court.. It is a little paradise here.. apart from the management issue going on for decades.. Only 2 co owners (farang) and a co owner thai live here all year long.. All other condos are unoccupied.. We have a maid cleaning the halls once a week and a gardener once a week.. That s all.. As said a second building is exactly in the same position, 20 units, only 2 co owners living there full year, same "staff" For the time being the Juristicemanager gets 15 K per month per building to do hardly anything apart from paying the maid and paying sometimes for some maintenance we ask for Have a nice week.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domdom Posted March 25, 2019 Author Share Posted March 25, 2019 I don t think getting 30 K per month directly in his pocket is a low rate as he hardly has 5 hours work per month.. Have a nice day.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenKong Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 48 minutes ago, domdom said: Only 2 co owners (farang) and a co owner thai live here all year long.. All other condos are unoccupied.. We have a maid cleaning the halls once a week and a gardener once a week.. That s all.. As said a second building is exactly in the same position, 20 units, only 2 co owners living there full year, same "staff" For the time being the Juristicemanager gets 15 K per month per building to do hardly anything apart from paying the maid and paying sometimes for some maintenance we ask for The same JPM gets paid twice for the two buildings? That seems daft. I agree that the monthly salary of 15,000B for your JPM is high even for two buildings, but of course part of that fee is to do with his legal liability. Given that you pay him that much in total I would certainly consider approaching QPM for a quote as you may find that they will do the management and the accounts for less than you are currently paying just for the JPM's double salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 57 minutes ago, domdom said: Hello 15 years ago the manager was a thai doing it with the help of farang husband.. he was arrested one day and it took nearly 3 years for him to be cleared by a court.. It is a little paradise here.. apart from the management issue going on for decades.. Only 2 co owners (farang) and a co owner thai live here all year long.. All other condos are unoccupied.. We have a maid cleaning the halls once a week and a gardener once a week.. That s all.. As said a second building is exactly in the same position, 20 units, only 2 co owners living there full year, same "staff" For the time being the Juristicemanager gets 15 K per month per building to do hardly anything apart from paying the maid and paying sometimes for some maintenance we ask for Have a nice week.. where is the location, receiving 15K per building thus = 30K is not a bad salary for doing such a type of work. Looking at some past posts about condo issues, it appears the hard thing to find, regardless of the size of the building, is the correct management, could it be due to lack of condo regulations in Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henryford Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 We have QPM and don't pay much more than the 30k you are paying. Better to give them say 40k and get a good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domdom Posted March 25, 2019 Author Share Posted March 25, 2019 Hello It is in Najomtien.. JM hardly puts a foot here once a month.. So I think this salary is very good for 5 hours work a month for both buildings, sitting in his office working on other subjects.. Electricity is taken automatically from the condo bank account, so is the water.. I will definitely approach this company QPM I repeat there are 2 buildings of 20 units and he gets 15 K from each building.. I bring the bills and post to him whenever there is.. I send him also the water consumption of the units twice a year for him to add the bill to the half year expenses debit note.. Have a nice day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domdom Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 Hello Does anybody have the phone number and exact address of QPMM I don t find the address on the web, just facebook and no GPS points either Thank you Have a nice day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenKong Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 They have an office next door to the Doctor Olivier clinic, just off Thepprasit Road and to the side of Platinum Suites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigStar Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, domdom said: Hello Does anybody have the phone number and exact address of QPMM I don t find the address on the web, just facebook and no GPS points either Thank you Have a nice day https://www.qpm.co.th/main/contact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domdom Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 Thank you Have a nice day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digbeth Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 How many staff in the office? most condo that employs management companies tends to have at least a handful of staff in a couple of positions like accounts, payroll, maintenance Other names used by reputable condos in the past that I've had dealings with is Plus property management I don't think that these companies would render their services for just 1 position of the JP manager though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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