Laughing Gravy Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 We live in hope. My sources tell me that the message from the Brexiteers - delivered by Mr Rees-Mogg and Mr Duncan Smith - was simple: if the prime minister wants to get her Brexit deal across the line in the House of Commons then she must set out a clear timetable for her departure, to enable another leader to negotiate Britain's future relationship with the EU. "That she must go is an integral message, (and) not just from the ERG - it has become mainstream across the back benches." https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-mays-resignation-could-be-price-for-backing-brexit-deal-11674553 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superal Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 27 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said: It didn't say "how" the Leave option would be implemented either. It's like a divorce - Q: do you want to divorce your wife? A: I do. Then comes all the argy-bargy about the division of the property, access rights to the kids and so on. Anyone who didn't understand that there would be a divorce settlement is plain naive But a divorce settlement means you have severed connections with your ex and also out of their influence and control . TMs deal maintains close connections , under their control , without any say or influence on EU matters that may well concern and effect the UK . To be fair to the voters none of the last couple of years of disappointing negotiations could have been foreseen . What is so amazing is that the negotiations lasted so long , given the outcome and TM deal which is a no brainer to reject . Writing was on the wall when D. Davies resigned as UK Brexit secretary because of the stubbornness of TMs brief and unwillingness to give Davies the scope to play poker . I think TM is a Maggie pretender but will never come close , despite that I was not a supporter of hers but she was a strong PM and that is what the UK need now . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomber Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: We live in hope. My sources tell me that the message from the Brexiteers - delivered by Mr Rees-Mogg and Mr Duncan Smith - was simple: if the prime minister wants to get her Brexit deal across the line in the House of Commons then she must set out a clear timetable for her departure, to enable another leader to negotiate Britain's future relationship with the EU. "That she must go is an integral message, (and) not just from the ERG - it has become mainstream across the back benches." https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-mays-resignation-could-be-price-for-backing-brexit-deal-11674553 Seems childish to me they either like the deal or they dont, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 hours ago, ThaiBunny said: It didn't say "how" the Leave option would be implemented either. It's like a divorce - Q: do you want to divorce your wife? A: I do. Then comes all the argy-bargy about the division of the property, access rights to the kids and so on. Anyone who didn't understand that there would be a divorce settlement is plain naive I though the UK played the woman's part? (After all, we were the ones getting F%$#@&) So we should get half of Europe, the kids and alimony payments for the rest of our life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, bomber said: Seems childish to me they either like the deal or they dont, They have never liked the deal but it might be the only way to get a Brexit and have a PM who believes in Brexit and do far better (which is hardly difficult than the remainer TM) than what is happening now. We will see. But as the HoC is full of MP's serving themselves they may feel its the best option for them, to keep their jobs until the next GE. A no deal would be good for me but sadly I am not an MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 20 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: Of course he will, although the money contributed by his employer will cease once the uk stops paying into the eu and he loses that job. Do you have no idea how company pensions work? It appears to be in deficit if we defaulted with No Deal it would be a quick (and popular) win to cut off pensions to Brits. Anyway, imagine the Kinnock's pain if they did just that - with hubbie and wife both on the EU gravy train teat. But the European Parliament is liable to underwrite the scheme and must guarantee those payments. It means the parliament will be forced to pay by finding money elsewhere in its budget should the fund become insolvent.A parliament spokesperson noted MEP contributions into the fund stopped from 2009 onwards, piling on further pressure. https://euobserver.com/institutional/141033 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 It's high stakes poker but Revoke A50 gets closer and closer each passing day. Odds are now 5/2. 5,371,748 signatures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 A quiet day so far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 44 minutes ago, superal said: But a divorce settlement means you have severed connections with your ex and also out of their influence and control . TMs deal maintains close connections , under their control , without any say or influence on EU matters that may well concern and effect the UK . It’s not a divorce settlement. It’s the EU helping the UK stand on its own feet, through offering transition support bridging the gap between exit and future relationships. People still don’t understand that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomber Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 22 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said: It’s not a divorce settlement. It’s the EU helping the UK stand on its own feet, through offering transition support bridging the gap between exit and future relationships. People still don’t understand that? They dont understand much,they think the war is still going on ???????? and think trump is going to do us a favourable trade deal...luckily 80% of our deluded MPs know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomber Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 hour ago, BritManToo said: I though the UK played the woman's part? (After all, we were the ones getting F%$#@&) So we should get half of Europe, the kids and alimony payments for the rest of our life. Dreaming again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talahtnut Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 The UK government has no intention of leaving the EU. All we are seeing is this pathetic, desperate charade to make this fake Brexit look genuine. The same fate awaits us, as France, Spain, Italy, Greece, Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 7 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said: This price they pay as you say is a figure clutched out of thin air. There is no legal obligation to pay it. If you can remember the 5 Bureaucratic presidents of the Council, were making up figures daily. The UK should have/still claim for all the money they have put in for the buildings and infrastructure, they contributed too. If its a divorce as you say, what about the 'bricks and mortars'. it is a one sided divorce and TM has been a been a fool, for not pushing for the interests of the UK people. Basically she has bent over and taken it without complaint. Regardless of views on Brexit, leave or remaining, it's true what you say that May and her hand picked fantastic negotiators made a complete screw up. The figures for Britain's leave "bill" seem to be someone's guess, or the average of many people's guesses, at best. And little or nothing seems to be documented on how Britain's share of EU assets will be divided out. Look at the attitude displayed by the EU on Galileo. More or less told the UK to bugger off. May's 39 billion is the price for the EU to agree to their very one sided "best deal possible". Period. It isn't owed, the EU have no intentions on honoring Britain's share of EU assets and their behavior suggests they will implement the backstop and will use it to blackmail the UK on issues such as fishing rights (dear to greedy corrupt France's President as elections loom!). The only options are a hard Brexit or Revoke Article 50 and fight for your rights from inside rather than outside. Anyone who thought a deal would be easy or fair is living the Boris dream. UK politicians need to accept reality, plan for it, stop spending all their time pursuing self interest and have the balls to speak the truth and back leave or remain, whichever they believe in. But stop all this pretending bllocks about getting "a good deal". That was never ever an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 4 hours ago, bomber said: Seems childish to me they either like the deal or they dont, It is childish mate. They are prepared to back a deal they don't like and think is bad for the country so they can replace their leader, who they also don't like, with someone whose from the same ideology themselves. Honesty, ethics, integrity, serving the people selflessly - not this shower of shitbags! And what's worse, some of these tossers keep getting re-elected! HMRC should take a very close look at Mr. R-Mogg for one; as should the House Ethics (there's an oxymoron!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucec64 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 4 hours ago, JonnyF said: ense. You are correct that it would end in court but there is no certainty that we would have to pay all of the 39 Billion, it is much more likely we'd pay a fraction of that amount after a lengthy court process. https://fullfact.org/europe/no-deal-divorce-bill-legally-obligated-pay/ For those who cannot be bothered to click the link, the question is how much we are legally obligated to pay if we leave with no deal. The response... This is highly uncertain. Experts at UK in a Changing Europe told us that, under international law, it’s not clearly set out that the UK has to pay anything once it has left the EU. However, the EU would be within its rights to take the case to the International Court of Justice. How is this nonsense? Your link does not confirm or deny the legal aspect, but that's the whole point of a court case. My take on the link is that UK most likely would end up paying. And, you clearly ignored the most salient point - the first point of any trade deal with the EU will be the 39 billion, a number that has already been agreed to. So, unless the UK plans on trading with the EU on WTO rules indefinitely, they will pay. A no deal Brexit just delays the payment. So, that makes your original comment and your reply nonsensical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomber Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 26 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: It is childish mate. They are prepared to back a deal they don't like and think is bad for the country so they can replace their leader, who they also don't like, with someone whose from the same ideology themselves. Honesty, ethics, integrity, serving the people selflessly - not this shower of shitbags! And what's worse, some of these tossers keep getting re-elected! HMRC should take a very close look at Mr. R-Mogg for one; as should the House Ethics (there's an oxymoron!). Mogg should be in jail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotman Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, bomber said: Mogg should be in jail They should all be in jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecoolfrog Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 11 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said: Leaving the EU wasn't a fantasy as many remainers would like to have people believe. It was a simple leave or remain with David Cameron telling us constantly, what leave would mean. Leaving the SM, CU, ECJ.etc Mays deal is not Brexit. The fantasy is that remainers actually believe that none of the above ever was said and cling onto the hope, that eventually people will have forgotten. Well they won't and haven't. It is the height of arrogance to suggest that your view of Brexit is the definitive one. Nobody had any idea how it would pan out , least of all Farage who buggered off sharply . The fact is that May's deal took us out of the EU , that satisfies the referendum criteria , that it didn't satisfy you is neither here or there. Rees - Mogg et al will end up with a very soft deal and highly likely a Corbyn government , great work !@@ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomber Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 35 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said: It is the height of arrogance to suggest that your view of Brexit is the definitive one. Nobody had any idea how it would pan out , least of all Farage who buggered off sharply . The fact is that May's deal took us out of the EU , that satisfies the referendum criteria , that it didn't satisfy you is neither here or there. Rees - Mogg et al will end up with a very soft deal and highly likely a Corbyn government , great work !@@ Corbyn on no..thanks brexiteers you fat foolish baldy tsttoed patrioric clowns.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 9 hours ago, evadgib said: A quiet day so far... Empty dustbin Brexiteer MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomacht8 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 The alternative meanings of the word "leave" in Brexit context: 1. Leave and have a WTO deal ( non deal) like the No EU member Mauritania. 2. Leave and have a deal like the No EU member Norway. 3 Leave and have a deal like the NO EU member Swiss. 4. Leave and have a deal like the NO EU member Canada. 5. Leave and have a deal like the NO EU member Turkey. 6. Leave and have Mays NO EU member deal. Which wedding dress would the Brexit UK like to have exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 10 hours ago, superal said: But a divorce settlement means you have severed connections with your ex and also out of their influence and control . TMs deal maintains close connections , under their control , without any say or influence on EU matters that may well concern and effect the UK . To be fair to the voters none of the last couple of years of disappointing negotiations could have been foreseen . What is so amazing is that the negotiations lasted so long , given the outcome and TM deal which is a no brainer to reject . Writing was on the wall when D. Davies resigned as UK Brexit secretary because of the stubbornness of TMs brief and unwillingness to give Davies the scope to play poker . I think TM is a Maggie pretender but will never come close , despite that I was not a supporter of hers but she was a strong PM and that is what the UK need now . Step forward as the next leader of the Tory Party A. Brexiteer Nutter (take your pick) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, tomacht8 said: The alternative meanings of the word "leave" in Brexit context: 1. Leave and have a WTO deal ( non deal) like the No EU member Mauritania. 2. Leave and have a deal like the No EU member Norway. 3 Leave and have a deal like the NO EU member Swiss. 4. Leave and have a deal like the NO EU member Canada. 5. Leave and have a deal like the NO EU member Turkey. 6. Leave and have Mays NO EU member deal. Which wedding dress would the Brexit UK like to have exactly? At the moment Cinderella UK can't go the ball as cannot decide which dress to wear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomber Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 36 minutes ago, tomacht8 said: The alternative meanings of the word "leave" in Brexit context: 1. Leave and have a WTO deal ( non deal) like the No EU member Mauritania. 2. Leave and have a deal like the No EU member Norway. 3 Leave and have a deal like the NO EU member Swiss. 4. Leave and have a deal like the NO EU member Canada. 5. Leave and have a deal like the NO EU member Turkey. 6. Leave and have Mays NO EU member deal. Which wedding dress would the Brexit UK like to have exactly? A union jack onesie as worn by our fatty friend from spoonies who apoears on here from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 5 hours ago, joecoolfrog said: It is the height of arrogance to suggest that your view of Brexit is the definitive one. Nobody had any idea how it would pan out , least of all Farage who buggered off sharply . It is arrogance pretending that what was promised yes promised by David Cameron as PM and leader for remain stated over and over again. to dismiss that is pure insolence. in case you didn't know Nigel Farage was not an MEP, wasn't allowed on the Leave campaign and went back to his job as MEP, fighting the cause. 5 hours ago, joecoolfrog said: The fact is that May's deal took us out of the EU , that satisfies the referendum criteria , that it didn't satisfy you is neither here or there. Once again you are telling lies. What was promised is not Mays. the backstop keeps the UK deal tied to the EU. Obviously you don't know simple politics. Even the hardcore remainers admit this fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted March 25, 2019 Author Share Posted March 25, 2019 please continue here: May fights for control as lawmakers aim to seize Brexit process By Elizabeth Piper, Kylie MacLellan and Andrew MacAskill LONDON (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Theresa May admitted on Monday she did not have enough support to pass her EU withdrawal deal as some in her party called on her to quit and parliament plotted to wrest the Brexit process away from her government. Full story: https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1091599-may-fights-for-control-as-lawmakers-aim-to-seize-brexit process/ //CLOSED// /Admin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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