Explainer: Mueller says no collusion. Barr says no obstruction. What's next for Trump?

[dundas]

Only Americans can elect a US president, but the rest of the world have had to watch, preferably from a distance, a 'leader' like Trump – a narcissist, liar, cheat, buffoon and bully, a man who hobnobs with dictators, takes the word of Vladimir Putin ahead of his own  intelligent chiefs, and kills bad news stories by paying off prostitutes. Don't know what it says about Americans, but it doesn't auger all that well for the rest of us who don't even live in the US. 

[farcanell]

5 hours ago, Thaidream said:

It's good to know that Donald Trump is not a Russian agent or collaborates with them.  Whether he obstructs justice or not is to be left to the opinion of the American people.  without conclusive evidence- I will give him a pass but there are way too many other things that will cause his defeat in 2020

 

1.  He is violation of the emoluments clause of the Us Constitution- he us using the Presidency to enrich

h himself and his family- how many trips to Mar A Logo does it take where his large entourage stays at his hotel and the US Government gets billed billions does it take to show this?

 

2. Once his tax returns are  shown to the World , we will see the amounts of Russian money purchase Trump properties at inflated prices and these inflated prices being poured into his Company to keep it afloat.  His many bankruptcies  would not allow him to borrow funds but the Russians are happy to support him economically. 

 

3.  Trump's policies are placing the US in a position of being strongly disliked by our allies to include all of NATO; Canada and Mexico/  With the complexity of the World- America needs friends. We do not need a huge increase in the military budget while  our citizens are forced  to abide by a federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hours and our citizens have to go bankrupt because they can't pay outlandish medical and pharmaceutical bills..

 

4.  As far as his tax cut- I just don't know where I will spend my extra $2.00 per day that his tax bill has provided for the Middle Class while the wealthy have received breaks that will provide them millions .

 

5.   Trump's  Immigration policies are not only cruel but simply incompetent.  I guess  separating children from their parents; locking them in cages, and then deporting the parents while the children languish in the 'system' somehow translates to border protection but the majority of people aren't buying into it.

 

The point is that  even if he never spoke to a Russian; obstructed justice or had Russian hookers in his Moscow Hotel -he is still a completely incompetent President and will never be re-elected. He has done nothing for the average American; done nothing to bring Americans together as a people and is reviled by the World.

 

43 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Not reviled generally. Get your facts straight.

???????????? reviled “generally” or “by the world” (as claimed) , is perhaps debatable.... I go with reviled, but no matter, because what really amuses, is that after quoting such a long post, you only appear to object to the last four words in suggesting thai dream get facts right.... ergo.... apart from the debateable last four words, all his facts must be right... right?

[atyclb]

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

6 hours ago, KMartinHandyman said:

Collusion is not a crime. Colluding with Russia to influence an election would be conspiracy and that’s a crime. Mueller, Rosenstein and Barr found neither collusion or conspiracy.
Obstruction of justice is a crime and exercising your authority over the executive branch is not a crime. Seems it would be hard to press obstruction charges when there was no underlying “there there” which the fbi’s Peter Paul Strzok II knew almost three years ago.
Roger L. Simon at pjmedia recently wrote this:
SPECIAL TO ADAM SCHIFF: You represent Los Angeles, where people are defecating in the streets and living in tents. Why don't you try to do something about that instead of lying every day about Donald Trump?
The democratic socialists new dream for America will be first in line for toilet paper .

You only have the word of Trump’s hand picked AG for that.

 

The Mueller report remains secret.

 

 

mueller should leak the truth and then go on a book promoting tour.  whistleblowers are protected

[riclag]

13 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

 

mueller should leak the truth and then go on a book promoting tour.  whistleblowers are protected

He (reported) the truth to the DOJ(Barr)

[from the home of CC]

could turn out to be the biggest backfire in the history of the U.S...

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, riclag said:

He (reported) the truth to the DOJ(Barr)

I’m sure he did, but we should non of us rely on Barr to act as gatekeeper to that truth.

 

Publish the report.

 

Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

[atyclb]

1 hour ago, Mansell said:

You Trumpeteers can have your little gloat......for now. And by the way, the American people didn't vote for him last time, more voted for Clinton. And in 2020 more will vote against him than for him. Even the brain dead supporters are starting to wake up and realize the guy is a flim flam man......all he's making great again are his family and a whole bunch of billionaires. Sleaze.

 

the common denominator political strategy for any/all presidential candidates is to win as many "electoral college votes" as they can and their goal is to win 270 or more electoral votes as they know it is the system. hillary's goal/ strategy was the same, she is a lawyer no less.

[Chomper Higgot]

28 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

 

mueller should leak the truth and then go on a book promoting tour.  whistleblowers are protected

Mueller should not be required to leak anything.

 

The house voted unanimously to release the report. 

 

Trump MPs himself said release the report.

 

Nothinv to hide, nothing to fear.

[atyclb]

1 hour ago, farcanell said:

2 hours ago, connda said:

Wanna beat Trump -- then stick to the issues that the Democratic base supports.  Not the Democratic fringe, but the Democratic base including Independents.  But, keep beating the same drum and focusing on pushing the guy out of office as opposed to debating real issues -- and Trump is in for another four years. 

Debating real issues would be good.... but .... trump doesn’t debate real issues. Unfortunately for the dems, they need to find a dick dastardly of their own, to adopt trump style assaults on opponents, vs appealing to the intelligence of the electorate.

 

likely after they made trump they broke the mold but it is possible if you search hard enough in nyc, especially brooklyn you may find one or two "dick dastardly" "in your face" ny style people lol

[atyclb]

2 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

Shifty Schiff and Jerry Gonad-ler...what a bunch of clueless clowns...still flailing and tilting at windmills.

 

 

hmmm, didn't know they patronage that place in pattaya

[atyclb]

7 hours ago, KMartinHandyman said:

Collusion is not a crime. Colluding with Russia to influence an election would be conspiracy and that’s a crime. Mueller, Rosenstein and Barr found neither collusion or conspiracy.
Obstruction of justice is a crime and exercising your authority over the executive branch is not a crime. Seems it would be hard to press obstruction charges when there was no underlying “there there” which the fbi’s Peter Paul Strzok II knew almost three years ago.
Roger L. Simon at pjmedia recently wrote this:
SPECIAL TO ADAM SCHIFF: You represent Los Angeles, where people are defecating in the streets and living in tents. Why don't you try to do something about that instead of lying every day about Donald Trump?
The democratic socialists new dream for America will be first in line for toilet paper .

 

 

27 million usd could have bought lots of portable toilets, toilet paper, and helped ease that humanitarian crisis.

[riclag]

35 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m sure he did, but we should non of us rely on Barr to act as gatekeeper to that truth.

 

Publish the report.

 

Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

That's not how the current law works in America! The SC report is protected by existing laws(rules and regulations)!

[Yellowtail]

8 hours ago, direction BANGKOK said:

I have no problem with presidents being compelled to release returns in all future elections. That would have probably precluded all of this mess. 

 

The tax returns for all public employees as well as all tax recipients should be public record.

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, riclag said:

That's not how the current law works in America! The SC report is protected by existing laws(rules and regulations)!

And the house has power of subpoena.

 

So shall we take it your defence of Trump is now down to keeping Mueller’s report secret?!

[riclag]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And the house has power of subpoena.

 

So shall we take it your defence of Trump is now down to keeping Mueller’s report secret?!

The law doesn't mention secrecy ,you do! Subpoena won't change that either!

Review and Conclusion of Special Counsel Inquiries

 

Page 16 and 17 of the regulation(rules and requirements established many years prior)

 

1.  Special Council Report to the AG is confidential!

2.The regulations do not expressly provide for disclosure of this report to any other parties, nor do they further identify the parameters of the content of that report.

3.None of the reporting requirements mandate public

release of any information shared either between DOJ officials or between DOJ and congressional committees.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44857.pdf

 

[candide]

1 hour ago, atyclb said:

 

 

27 million usd could have bought lots of portable toilets, toilet paper, and helped ease that humanitarian crisis.

Don't worry. Mueler brought 48 million in fines so there will be plenty of profits to pay for toilets! ????

http://fortune.com/2018/12/14/mueller-investigation-cost-tax-cheats/

[Trouble]

The Trump haters will never be satisfied with anything.  They wanted no interference from anyone on Mueller's investigation. They got it!  Now many want to claim Barr is going to hide the "real" truth.  The haters want to be able to grab onto any little tidbit to keep this story going until the election. If Mueller left it to the Justice Department to decide on obstruction of justice then there was nothing conclusive in it. If Tweets and firing Comey can be considered obstruction then the haters will go for it even if Comey's firing obstructed nothing. Seems like the Dems have a hard time admitting that Comey and his crew had real bias issues, that Hillary and company created a false narrative with the dossier and that the FBI used it to launch an investigation over nothing. What should scare everyone is not Trump but the fact that Obama's government seemed to conspire in trying to stop Trump.  The Left has gone crazy and all the idiots running for President are seemingly being dragged to the left to the point the mainstream Dems might even have difficulty voting for them. Pursuing the anti Trump agenda is going to loose them the election.

[Inn Between]

It looks like the Democrats and the Trump-hating media have shot themselves in the foot with this mess. It's too bad. It seems that they put all their proverbial eggs in one basket with this attempt to discredit and shame Trump, but it's blown up in their faces, and those very entities that were so desperate to cut his term short may actually be very responsible for extending it to 8 years in office by giving him credibility and justification about his remarks aimed at a dishonest mainstream media. 

 

I agree that the contents of all reports should be disclosed without redaction. But what if there's still no ammo in there for the dems and mainstream media to use? What then? Do they just have to sit on their tongues, knowing it's their own credibility that they've destroyed? I wish they hadn't botched this so badly. Who wants to see Trump around for 2 full terms?  

[Baerboxer]

12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You only have the word of Trump’s hand picked AG for that.

 

The Mueller report remains secret.

 

Did Trump have an meeting with his hand picked AG on an airport runway to have a private conversation?

 

Oh no, silly me, that was someone's husband with their tame AG!

[candide]

2 hours ago, Trouble said:

The Trump haters will never be satisfied with anything.  They wanted no interference from anyone on Mueller's investigation. They got it!  Now many want to claim Barr is going to hide the "real" truth.  The haters want to be able to grab onto any little tidbit to keep this story going until the election. If Mueller left it to the Justice Department to decide on obstruction of justice then there was nothing conclusive in it. If Tweets and firing Comey can be considered obstruction then the haters will go for it even if Comey's firing obstructed nothing. Seems like the Dems have a hard time admitting that Comey and his crew had real bias issues, that Hillary and company created a false narrative with the dossier and that the FBI used it to launch an investigation over nothing. What should scare everyone is not Trump but the fact that Obama's government seemed to conspire in trying to stop Trump.  The Left has gone crazy and all the idiots running for President are seemingly being dragged to the left to the point the mainstream Dems might even have difficulty voting for them. Pursuing the anti Trump agenda is going to loose them the election.

Your beloved president himself has stated he wanted the report to be published. Don't you support his will? Or is it that you don't think he was telling the truth? ????

[jinjo]

15 hours ago, direction BANGKOK said:

I have no problem with presidents being compelled to release returns in all future elections. That would have probably precluded all of this mess. 

As an American I would think Americans should make the decision on who is president and who is not.  True current law does not require any submission of ones tax records publicly, and that law could change.  But let me assure you Trumps taxes have been thoroughly investigated by the Obama politicized/weaponized IRS and there was no there, there.  Don't worry it will all come out, all of our political institutions have been damaged and found corrupted.  Be patience Time will Tell all.  My only tip is invest in popcorn, it's going to be a great show.

[Redline]

16 hours ago, KMartinHandyman said:

Collusion is not a crime. Colluding with Russia to influence an election would be conspiracy and that’s a crime. Mueller, Rosenstein and Barr found neither collusion or conspiracy.
Obstruction of justice is a crime and exercising your authority over the executive branch is not a crime. Seems it would be hard to press obstruction charges when there was no underlying “there there” which the fbi’s Peter Paul Strzok II knew almost three years ago.
Roger L. Simon at pjmedia recently wrote this:
SPECIAL TO ADAM SCHIFF: You represent Los Angeles, where people are defecating in the streets and living in tents. Why don't you try to do something about that instead of lying every day about Donald Trump?
The democratic socialists new dream for America will be first in line for toilet paper .

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/03/25/biggest-lesson-mueller-probe-its-about-character/?utm_term=.93db3dc8edb3&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

[Redline]

16 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

What next for Trump? Well seeing as 2020 is in the bag already (thanks Dems and deep state) I suppose he can chill out and play more golf with Kid Rock and his mates.  6 years is heaps of time to secure the southern border, sort out the fake news outlets and continue with all his economy successes. Just a great time to be alive to see this all happening. Go Trump!

Deep state is so deep, nobody knows who is in it , besides Hillary ????

[Redline]

I guess the 12 current investigations, and a dozen more in congress ????

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/03/25/biggest-lesson-mueller-probe-its-about-character/?utm_term=.93db3dc8edb3&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

[sanemax]

2 minutes ago, Redline said:

I guess the 12 current investigations, and a dozen more in congress ????

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/03/25/biggest-lesson-mueller-probe-its-about-character/?utm_term=.93db3dc8edb3&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

They should let Donald get on with his job , Trump haters and Remainers need to accept the democratic process , accept they lost and allow the World to keep turning , otherwise it en up with a Thai style red/yellow wars

[Scott]

Off-topic posts removed.

 

[simple1]

2 hours ago, sanemax said:

They should let Donald get on with his job , Trump haters and Remainers need to accept the democratic process , accept they lost and allow the World to keep turning , otherwise it en up with a Thai style red/yellow wars

LOL - in your opinion trump is above the law?

[Chomper Higgot]

10 hours ago, Trouble said:

The Trump haters will never be satisfied with anything.  They wanted no interference from anyone on Mueller's investigation. They got it!  Now many want to claim Barr is going to hide the "real" truth.  The haters want to be able to grab onto any little tidbit to keep this story going until the election. If Mueller left it to the Justice Department to decide on obstruction of justice then there was nothing conclusive in it. If Tweets and firing Comey can be considered obstruction then the haters will go for it even if Comey's firing obstructed nothing. Seems like the Dems have a hard time admitting that Comey and his crew had real bias issues, that Hillary and company created a false narrative with the dossier and that the FBI used it to launch an investigation over nothing. What should scare everyone is not Trump but the fact that Obama's government seemed to conspire in trying to stop Trump.  The Left has gone crazy and all the idiots running for President are seemingly being dragged to the left to the point the mainstream Dems might even have difficulty voting for them. Pursuing the anti Trump agenda is going to loose them the election.

Pull the rug from under the feet of the ‘haters’. 

 

To reveal the ‘haters’ for who and what they are, publish the report and see who falls on their butt!

 

Nothing to hide, nothing to fear!

[Yellowtail]

4 hours ago, simple1 said:

LOL - in your opinion trump is above the law?

Has Trump been charged with a crime?

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Has Trump been charged with a crime?

You’re wuestion is meaningless, gIven the AG (hand picked by Trump) expresses the opinion that a sitting President cannot be charged/indicted.

 

We also non of us have seen the Mueller report.

 

Let’s see the report.

 

Nothing to fear, nothing to hide.