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attrayant

Let's hear from you retirement extension vikings @ chaengwatthana: getting in and out AFAP

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Wed., March 27 Extension @ CW,  US Citizen

 

My extension expires on the 29th so I cut it a bit close.  I had managed to get an income affidavit before the suspension date and had been assured  that I would not be asked for any other supporting documents and this proved to be correct.  No TM-30 asked for as well.

 

I got off to a late start and ultimately paid a heavy price for my lassitude. In years past, I had always arrived at the end of lunch and was usually finished by 3pm.  Those days are clearly gone along with 38 Baht/$. The skytrain had several extended stops.  My taxi driver was safe but s-l-o-w.  When we got to the highway that goes to CW, that was backed up to the expressway. CW was even worse. Don't know if there was a special event but cars were double parked the length of the entry road and it took 20 minutes just to get to Bldg B. I was 5 minutes too late to get a queue number before noon shutdown. After re-opening at 1pm, my # was 118, they were working on mid 40s, so about 75 numbers ahead of me...the "L" section waiting area was packed.  They averaged about 30 numbers an hour and I got called for step one at 3:30, process completed with PP in hand at 4:30.  I never dealt with any of the traditional uniformed officers, just young women clerks in casual Immigration Police shirts.

Now,  the retribution for my lateness.  The taxi queue was about 30 minutes.  I got into a taxi at 5pm. At 6 pm, the meter read B101 and we hadn't yet cleared the complex; total gridlock. Finally arrived at Mo Chit BTS at 7:15.  Taxi fare B300, Usually around B150.  

The renewal went smoothly but I learned the hard lesson that CW and the entire complex has become a lot busier than ever before and that needs to be taken into account.

Edited by dddave

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I would say you should have done the TM30 within 24 hours of moving to Bangkok

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On ‎3‎/‎26‎/‎2019 at 4:31 PM, attrayant said:

I've just looked over the two forms and the TM28 appears to be MY report to immigration that I live in place XYZ.  TM30 appears to be my Landlord's report to immigration that I live in place XYZ.  Why they just couldn't add an extra line for Landlord to sign at the bottom of the TM28, I have no idea.  Why do a job with one form when you can do it with two, right?

If you read the law, you'd realise they are two separate issues, therefore two separate forms.

 

You should have filed a TM28 and TM30 within 24 hours of arrival in Bangkok.

You need to notify the change of address, before doing your extension.

Edited by Tanoshi

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10 hours ago, moe666 said:

I would say you should have done the TM30 within 24 hours of moving to Bangkok

 

 

27 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

You should have filed a TM28 and TM30 within 24 hours of arrival in Bangkok.

 

 

Can you tell me how the immigration officer knows that I just got into Bangkok less than 24 hours ago as opposed to more than 24 hours ago?  

 

 

"If you read the law..."

 

One shouldn't have to crack open a lawbook to be able to see what a form is for.  When I was at CW a few weeks ago, it was pointed out that I should do an address change because my last extension was done at Roi Et.  When I groaned at the prospect of a return trip through that traffic just to do an address change, and then yet another trip a couple weeks later for the retirement extension, I got the smile and wave-away along with "just do them both when you come back for the extension".  This advice was not from the information desk interns, but from an immigration officer at the L desk, who actually does the extensions.  I'm well aware that she might decide to change her mind when I go back in a few weeks.

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1 hour ago, attrayant said:

Can you tell me how the immigration officer knows that I just got into Bangkok less than 24 hours ago as opposed to more than 24 hours ago?  

The date of your new lease at the new location could be used.  It all depends on if they want to make a problem out of it. 

 

1 hour ago, attrayant said:

"If you read the law..."

 

One shouldn't have to crack open a lawbook to be able to see what a form is for. ...

Yes, it is quadruple-redundant reporting required, in some cases/offices - TM-6, TM-28, TM-30, and the 90-day report. 

The goal is not efficiently tracking where foreigners are (a respectable goal), it is about convincing you to pay their agent-partners to make these problems disappear, or leave the country.  The same motivation / purpose seems evident in the case of pointless hoops for extensions.

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3 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

The date of your new lease at the new location could be used.

 

 

I asked in another discussion about how somebody who does not have a lease would go about proving their residence.  I asked:

 

"What would somebody who stays with relatives, and therefore doesn't have a lease, provide as proof of residence?  A few pieces of mail?  What about the bank statement I'll already have (because it's a retirement extension)?

 

Since I live with family, it would be pretty easy to draw up a perfunctory lease, or "lease" and date it the same day as my trip to immigration.

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1 hour ago, attrayant said:

Can you tell me how the immigration officer knows that I just got into Bangkok less than 24 hours ago as opposed to more than 24 hours ago?  

Perhaps because you already visited the IO and spoken to them?

 

The TM28 and TM30 headers and their purpose should be sufficient to understand the difference.

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11 minutes ago, attrayant said:

 

I asked in another discussion about how somebody who does not have a lease would go about proving their residence.  I asked:

 

"What would somebody who stays with relatives, and therefore doesn't have a lease, provide as proof of residence?  A few pieces of mail?  What about the bank statement I'll already have (because it's a retirement extension)?

 

Since I live with family, it would be pretty easy to draw up a perfunctory lease, or "lease" and date it the same day as my trip to immigration.

A copy of the house owners Tabien Baan and ID card is the normal proof requested.

 

What address will be on your bank statement. New or old?

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9 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Perhaps because you already visited the IO and spoken to them?

 

That was a few weeks ago, and my extension will be done about two weeks from now.  I'll be shocked if (1) I get the same officer and (2) she remembers me after all that time.  Still, I could say that I have recently traveled elsewhere in the intervening time and just returned to Bangkok again.

 

5 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

A copy of the house owners Tabien Baan and ID card is the normal proof requested.

 

I will have that, since they are required supporting docs for the TM30, but I don't see how either of those documents prove that I live there. Is it just assumed that, since I have a copy of my father in-law's housebook and ID, that I must be living there?

 

5 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

What address will be on your bank statement. New or old?

 

 

When I came to Thailand in 2011, I opened an account at Kasikorn while staying at my current Bangkok address.  After doing a few years of traveling around Thailand and getting three extensions at other immigration offices (the last two at Roi Et), I have recently returned to Bangkok.  So the answer to your question is that they show the Bangkok address, which is both my "old" 2011 and "new" 2019 address.  I never opened a bank account in Roi Et so I have no bank account showing that address.  To look only at my bank account, you'd have no idea that I ever left Bangkok.

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5 minutes ago, attrayant said:

I will have that, since they are required supporting docs for the TM30, but I don't see how either of those documents prove that I live there. Is it just assumed that, since I have a copy of my father in-law's housebook and ID, that I must be living there?

The TM30 along with a copy of the house masters Tabien Baan and ID card is sufficient + your bank statement will provide the same address to match. If in doubt they can arrange a home visit.

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1 hour ago, attrayant said:

 

I asked in another discussion about how somebody who does not have a lease would go about proving their residence.  I asked:

 

"What would somebody who stays with relatives, and therefore doesn't have a lease, provide as proof of residence?  A few pieces of mail?  What about the bank statement I'll already have (because it's a retirement extension)?

 

Since I live with family, it would be pretty easy to draw up a perfunctory lease, or "lease" and date it the same day as my trip to immigration.

I would start with the house-book of where you are staying (though you cannot be listed in it), and a letter from the head-of-household stating you live there.  Yes, they could, in theory, put whatever date.  Edit: and agree with tanoshi - also the house-master's ID-Card copy.

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14 hours ago, dddave said:

Now,  the retribution for my lateness.  The taxi queue was about 30 minutes.  I got into a taxi at 5pm. At 6 pm, the meter read B101 and we hadn't yet cleared the complex; total gridlock. Finally arrived at Mo Chit BTS at 7:15.

i've had similar experience late in the afternoon.  took nearly an hour just to get out of the complex.  another time, one of my first visits to CW right after it opened (that was a 'move stamp to new passport' visit), there was no gridlock in the complex but no taxis were coming to the queue.  so i'm standing there in a small line but took at least 30 min to finally get in a taxi and then the road outside CW was jammed.  some members here recommend arriving at 3:00pm to get the fastest processing inside but i don't know how they manage to get home in a reasonable time given traffic at rush hour.

 

i used to show up right after lunch for extensions related to VE and SETV entries.  but after those two experiences, i switched to morning arrival.  now i always arrive about 9:15.  so alot of people have entered before me but i have a chance to get out before the lunch hour (i'm 2/3 getting out before lunch at the L desk and i'd say it was about the same at the J and K desks for extensions to VE and SETV).  one time i was shocked to get #5 for an SETV extension and i was processed so fast that i hit rush hour traffic going back to bts mochit, took about 1.5 hrs !!  so sometimes fast service inside sets you up for a slow ride home.  i got only a re-entry permit one time, arrived at 9:15 done by 9:45 (i was expecting 10:15), checked traffic on google maps and saw heavy traffic so i went downstairs and had some coffee and browsed the internet until traffic died down.

 

 

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How I hate CW - even though to date IO's have been professional and pleasant and last time paperwork was 20 minutes - walking across the whole football field length of CW to get a photocopy for re-entry in that pseudo aircon that leaves you sweating and dehydrated is a particular hate - amongst all the others. Could go tomorrow but couldn't face it, so next week...............................

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