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BANGKOK 26 April 2019 12:38

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Hi all !,

I have a Chinese 250 cc 4 Wheeler with ignition issues.

I have sought the  help and advice of a few Thai Mechanics and " experts " but non of them seem to know what to do about the problem of the non-starting Quad.

Are there any kind souls out there maybe in the Moto X fraternity than can help me out on this one ? Can you recommend a Moto X bike fixer in the Pattaya vicinity that can maybe help me out ?

Thanks in advance

 

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Are you able to transport the quad to the garage. There is Eddys motorcross bike shop in Pattaya. Some more details of the problem may help. Spark at plug . Power in/out of  coil. Bad earth somewhere. Power in/out of ignition switch.

 

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Does it turn over at least? Is it starter, spark or fuel?
Can we take it that it was working and has just stopped?....

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Hi KTM jeff and Anythingleft,

Thanks for your replies.

The problem with the Atv seems to be something to do with the CDI, and its Ignition 

The Quad was working fine and then stopped suddenly. A relative of mine ( Thai ) got his mate to look at it and he replaced the CDi ( I think - not sure ) and it then worked OK for a short while before again grinding to a halt.

The bike turns over,so its not the battery or electric start, and the fuel is going to the Carb, so its not that.

Being a Mechanical Engineer, I know a little something about what happens within the ignition system. ( but not everything ) , and I tried to find a CDI unit in Pattaya which was a waste of time.

Apparently, my Thai relative says there is power going to the CDI, but nothing coming out. Maybe its the Stator ? not sending the trigger pulse to the CDi Unit, or a minefield of CDI units ( which is the correct one ? ) therefore no spark at the Plug.

KTM, where is Eddys shop ? Maybe I could pay a visit and ask for initial thoughts from him, and if hes up to the job, I can then get the Quad to him.

Only I am fed up with people saying " bring the bike to my shop and I can fix it " then being told after 2 or 3 weeks that they cant and have to arrange transport all over again .

at more expense.

I really appreciate your input fella,s 

Thanks

 

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If it's a Chinese 250 (actual 230cc) air cooled single, either OHV or OHC, the tuk tuk shops and generic GPX/Lifan type Chinese M/C shops sell these engines and the spares.

Nip into your local and buy a new CDI unit.

Cost will be ridiculously cheap.

Hell a complete new motor with carb, CDI unit, coil etc etc is only 11-12k.

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Its a 250 water cooled machine with manual clutch Etc

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What is the quad make , Lion or Basham , or engine ID code. Maybe something like 189FMM etc. Do you have the original CDI unit , or its ID. Eddys was ( its been a few years since i was down Pattaya way ) over on the "Darkside" , near the big auction place. Sorry , i dont have the phone number.

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The quad is a Zongshen 

Cannot find engine ref code

I really am not sure if the CDI I have is the original, as it was swapped out and I  dont know now if the guy that did that really knew what he was doing, and these things are just a " black box" with no numbers on them  

 

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Zongshen Ryuka are a good and popular company. They make some good bikes , but i never knew they made quads. I would search out the local dealers. The biggest problem will be finding a decent mechanic unless the dealer is good. At least he will have access to parts. Independent shops arent too keen on this type of "generic" bike , as they cant always identify the parts. Zongshen Ryuka dealers would be my first choice. The engine code should be stamped into the lower area of the block / gearbox. This may be needed for part identification.

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KTM

I have tried to find dealers here in Thailand, but it seems to be a waste of time. And yes, Zongshen manufacture some good machines and engines of all kinds. They are a huge company 

The Zongshen , Lifan, and Licon brands seem to be a " family " at the better end of the Chinese Quad market. ( if there is one )

Will look for the Engine code again _ Thanks

Your opinion on the shops not liking this kind of bike is true. Because its not a GY6 maybe a little grey matter has to be applied to the problem - something many Thais are reluctant to do.

looked today for the MotoX shop in Soi Khao Noi for maybe some help - but no longer there

My search for a solution to the problem continues. 

 

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If you have, or get, a cheap multimeter there are some basic tests that you can do at home to save you going to various shops that dont or wont help

CDI's are pretty robust and not a regular failure item in my experience, unless you have been unlucky....

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If Eddys has gone - unless somebody else knows another shop - you could try WWW.ZONGSHENTHAILAND.COM   Get details of a local dealer.  Parts are sometimes difficult to identify , hence many shops reluctance to spend hours looking for a simple part. No thinking outside of the box here. 

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I am looking for the dealer in Bowin, which is close to my home or the one in Pattaya for the parts.

A Multimeter seems to be the way to go. At least I will know which is working correctly and which is not 100% . This way I can clarify in my own mind some of the issues ( maybe ), and not rely on what other people are telling me.

There is too much spurious stuff flying around which is confusing me to say the least

My own early thoughts on the issue seem to point toward to the Stator / Magneto, because I have been told there is power into the CDi but none  coming out.

Maybe the pulse pickup has conked out.

A Multimeter should help with that.

Thanks again guys

 

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According to their website the head office for Zonshen is in Rayong. There is a watercooled Adventure bike on the website. 

 

Rayong would be my first stop, armed with the engine number. 

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6 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

According to their website the head office for Zonshen is in Rayong. There is a watercooled Adventure bike on the website. 

 

Rayong would be my first stop, armed with the engine number. 

 

6 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

According to their website the head office for Zonshen is in Rayong. There is a watercooled Adventure bike on the website. 

 

Rayong would be my first stop, armed with the engine number. 

I have had a little time to view their Website, and spotted the water cooled bike.

Maybe I can get lucky, and they have not modified the Engine so much, where the spares will still fit my old machine.

There is a dealer ( according to the website ) in Bowin, which is just down the road from me, so I will contact them in the next day or so ( busy ) and ask if they can help.

Thanks for your input

 

 

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