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BANGKOK 22 May 2019 12:27

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You seem to be heading in the right direction. Please let us know the outcome.

 

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KTM,

Thanks for the encouragement. This has been an epic problem over several months now due to ( so called experts / time wasters / red herrings Etc ).

Ok, I know this old quad is not a top Marque, but it will get me out and about into the hills and countryside near my home when I can enjoy some clean ( ish ) air and peace a quiet for an hour or so now and again.

And at my age, I do not intent to be burning up the tracks, as the Thais say " Cha-Cha " for me and enjoy.

Hopefully now, I will be able to sort this issue out properly, and yes, I will inform you guys of the outcome once I have the thing running 

Thanks to all you guys for the help and encouragement. Maybe one day we will meet, and its my first round

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I am absolutely flabbergasted !

Contacted both the Pattaya and the Bowin " Agents " for Zongshen and the response was exactly the same from them both ( almost word for word )

" We only sell new bikes, and we dont have a spare parts Dept or a Service Dept "

I have sent an email to Zongshen Thailand stating how bad their Agents / dealership policy,s are and asking for other ideas from them.

Another S#%$$* Day in Paradise !

 

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I would get in a car/or/or and head to Rayong with engine number in hand. Relying on emails and the like in Thailand is a pointless exercise.

 

OR take the beast to BIRA on a Monday morning and find Harold? the German (usually sans shirt) mechanic guy ( he will be working on bikes) and ask him if he can help? If not buy a coffee and just have a chat with the guys.

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Just a thought. Have we eliminated the handlebar kill switch from the equation? maybe disconnect that first? As it may ground out the ignition. 

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2 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

Just a thought. Have we eliminated the handlebar kill switch from the equation? maybe disconnect that first? As it may ground out the ignition. 

He has been told there is power going into the CDI , but unless one can confirm , its all just 50/50.  Im very annoyed with the unhelpful response of Zongshen. How do they ( and other "generic" bike makers ) expect to be taken seriously if they dont stock spares. You can see why people default to the main players , to avoid this problem. A personal visit may bear fruit , rather than e-mails.  Theres a Zongshen shop in Chiang Mai where the lady owner is helpful. I can ask her for phone numbers of contacts in Pattaya if this helps. 

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I still cant find the engine number !

There is no kill switch, and the lights come on when the key is turned on, so this points to a DC CDI Unit

If it were AC it would have a kill switch and the engine needs to turn over for power in order for the lights to work.

The wiring on the CDI wires is also for DC.

Thais dont know the difference - fact. Asked for DC CDI in 2 large supply stores in Pattaya and was virtually laughed out of one shop with one little assistant prat pointing to the lights in the shop and joking AC Mister 

I have since contacted Zongshen at their Rayong Plant and spoke to a nice Lass who seems to be pulling out the stops to help me. She has the title of Ass,t General Manager,and has offered to send a Mechanic to my home to at least look at the Quad.

I think my email to Zongshen in Rayong sent the brown stuff into the fan, and I get the impression that they are either unaware of their Agents attitude towards their customers, or they have been complacent, and my email woke them up a little. 

Vocal and KTM, I will keep both your suggestions on the back burner for now and see what develops with Zongshen.

Thanks again guys, my bar bill keeps on rising

 

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I think i would offer to take the bike to them then they have all tjeir resources and no excuses.

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If the mechanic comes to him ( now thats good service ) and cant fix on site , maybe he will take it away , to further investigate. Its encouraging they are pulling out the stops to fix this. I know Zongshen is a good company , so lets hope they lead the way for other generic motorcycle companies , in customer service.

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The engine code could be ZS 170 FMM. It might be behind the gear lever. A video on Youtube , suggests the engine kill switch ( if it has one ) is on the left side of the bars , under the light switch , in the place the indicator switch would be. May be worth checking 

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There is no kill switch on the bars. The engine stop is on the key.

I have one to wire in as a safety thing in the future, but its no good wiring in a kill switch on a dead engine , so it can wait a while .

I will again look for the engine number in the place that you suggest KTM, as this is an important thing for the Zongshen people to have, so they can establish its manufacture data Etc.

Hopefully this lass at Zongshen can get the right guys to look into this problem for me, and its just not a BS exercise on their part.

I have to go into Pattaya today, so I will look for a cheap Multimeter in Watsadu.

Then I can look at some basic stuff for myself, and get a clearer picture hopefully as to what the issue may be.

Thanks again for your input fella,s

  

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You can get lucky sometimes on Ebay with Chinese quad parts. Get a new CDI, if it doesn't work, it isn't the problem.

If it was the kill switch, the bike wouldn't turn over by the ignition switch. 

You could be having carburetor or valve problems. Does it have compression?

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I have found Ali Express really good for spare parts for the Quad

OK delivery is about 2 weeks but the prices are good and the parts fit.

KTM, I found the engine number tucked in under the gear shift shaft where it enters the casing, - Just as you said _ thanks, so sent that to Zongshen lady to help them with the spare parts issue.

The CDI is an issue, because I believe it to be a DC unit, but the Thais keep wanting to put in a CDi unit for a Honda Wave and I think that is an AC unit

The wiring to the CDI points toward it being DC as do other things ( see above post )

Carb and compression not an issue, this is an Electrical issue

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Update on the situation

A couple of guys from Zongshen Rayong came to my house just after lunch and did a quick do it / dont it work check on the Compression - OK Electric  Start - Ok then took off the Stator casing to reveal the Stator Etc.

The Quad has 2 wiring looms on board ! from what I can gather from them.

It has DC for light, horn Etc which work on the key without Engine turn over, and then it has an AC Ignition loom which will only work on Engine turn over off the Stator / Magneto.

No wonder I have been confused !

CDI wiring is for DC, which I assume is the same for 6 pin AC unit, thats why the hot wire in was colored red/black for AC power.and not just red.for DC ( I  though it was a cobbled thing -Duh )

When told the Thai guys were going to put in Honda Wave CDI unit the nearly flipped his lid, and said that really was a bad.

Anyhow, they have taken the Quad away on a pickup Truck and say they can fix and it will take about 2/3 weeks ( I guess to get the correct parts from Zongshen in China ) or a que for service.

Its good that things seem to be moving along in the right direction now

I will keep you guys posted as and when things develop, thanks to you all again.

Zongshen really have restored my faith in Chinese product after pulling out the stops like this-a big thanks to them. - 5 stars I think.

 

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Well done Zongshen. That sounds good service to come to your house , and take the quad away. Shame they cant get the part/s earlier , but i guess they dont stock everything.

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